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this hope radio for the masses Atlanta

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between July 8 1947

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beyond the airport who has announced

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that applying this has been found and is

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now in the possession of the RA the game

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is rigged changed the game

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differences worldwide would vanish if we

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were facing an alien threat from outside

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fade to black with your host Jimmy

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church on the game-changer Radio Network

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new year help you do the year

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you're listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on the game changing Network

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good evening

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misspoke radio

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for the masses sigh today's Monday April

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only 279 days left we are live from a

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a [\h__\h] that is somewhere in the middle

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sing all around the world all across the

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I am your host Jimmy Church

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what is crack and everybody how you

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doing how you doing how you doing

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all right it's Monday kicking off

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another great week here on st. the block

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tonight's Joshua P Warren yeah man

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Joshua's back in tonight a full night of

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ghosts and the paranormal that's what

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we're gonna do tonight

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yeah especially after playing Diablo 3

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all weekend having dreams about that

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bad the carnage oh man it's brutal man

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it's brutal it's a lot of fun too it's a

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lot of fun anyway so there you go gonna

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get my scare on tonight which I sure

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will be warm tomorrow night Chuck

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Zukowski is back yeah you know how me to

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give a shout-out to Debbie I know she's

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listening right now she sent me an email

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last week

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and there you go that's all I got to say

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right on Deb and Chuck Zukowski is here

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tomorrow night we're gonna be talking

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about the supernatural or paranormal and

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UFOs across the United States the 37th

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parallel that's going to be tomorrow

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night Chuck Zukowski Wednesday night

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viola Harris is here and we are also

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going to do a full night of UFOs alien

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and et contact updates we're going to be

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doing that and discussing our community

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from one of the leaders of this

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community and of course she is the boss

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bottle-washer over at Starworks USA and

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you can go to Starworks he will say that

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calm and check out her conference that's

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the breaking news Atlas atlas have you

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heard about Atlas atlas is a ginormous

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green comet that at this point you can

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now see it with the naked eye and with

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binoculars you don't need a ginormous

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telescope that's right because Atlas is

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five times the size of Jupiter and about

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half the size of our Sun and it's going

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to appear brighter than Venus from Earth

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by the end of April it's currently close

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to Mars orbit right now but it's

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increasing speed as it makes its way

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towards the Sun and will make its

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closest approach to earth April 30th can

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you believe it when it gets towards the

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inner solar system it will become one of

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the brightest objects in the night sky

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the comet of the generation Atlas

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diameter to four hundred and forty seven

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thousand three hundred and eighty seven

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miles our Sun has a diameter of eight

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hundred sixty-five thousand miles

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Jupiter's diameter is only eighty six

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thousand miles earth is only seven

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thousand nine hundred miles this thing

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is four hundred and forty-seven miles in

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diameter it's huge it was discovered by

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the asteroid terrestrial impact last

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alert system in Hawaii back in December

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of 2019 hence the name Atlas how

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right in three weeks three weeks we're

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gonna be looking up at a giant green

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air on Friday but I wanted to mention

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this because it's pretty incredible a

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fire had spread through a grassy area of

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Southwest Florida International Airport

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rental cars and if you haven't seen the

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video it's incredible to watch the blaze

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began Friday spanned fifteen acres and

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originally involved only twenty cars in

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this grassy rental car overflow area at

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the airport in Fort Myers Florida by the

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time it was extinguished the flames had

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destroyed more than 3,500 rental cars

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injured the sky drops of water and

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pretty incredible pretty incredible and

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like I said nobody got hurt just an

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incredible video to see 3500 cars going

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up in flames now I've got some good news

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for you tiger King fans out there

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have you seen tiger king yet I hear the

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last are the last people in America to

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not watch tiger king you need to check

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out tiger king but

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anyway if you have watched it and he got

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to the end and it ended you know fairly

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recently because it had the conviction

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of Joe exotic and if you haven't seen it

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well it just gave you the spoiler he

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goes to jail goes to prison for 22 years

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but Netflix is going to air another

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episode of the tiger king they just

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wrapped filming of it right now and this

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will be episode number 7 and is expected

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to air nearly immediately either in late

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April or early May tiger king I said to

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somebody the other day on Twitter I

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forget who it was I don't want to anyway

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I can't remember I said it's got

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everything it's got it's it's a redneck

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soap opera with meth murder big cats i

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forget the list of stuff that I had just

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it's it's crazy it's just man man man

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you got a love triangle between three

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dudes and oh man no teeth it's it's all

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in there man that is just he got con man

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con women dead missing husband's a few

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of them actually crazy just just crazy

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crazy

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check out Tiger King I couldn't believe

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it when I first watched the first

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episode I was like ah I don't know quite

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where this is going oh by the way for

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all the animal lovers out there there

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isn't anything I don't like you know did

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I no no no videos with with animals

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being hurt I don't want that stuff but I

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was expecting something like that in

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this now now he is so we can just wide

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it's cool it's cool I had no idea that

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you could buy a big cat a tiger for like

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2 grand who knew that I mean you gotta

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have a place to put it you know in

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everything you're not gonna get a tiger

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if you have an apartment but

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I didn't know I didn't know Teicher for

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2-grand anyway watch Tiger King all

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right you want to brighten your day or

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writing your night well check it out the

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biggest and brightest of the springs

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full super moons is happening tomorrow

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night a super moon as everybody knows

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it's a full moon or a new moon that

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occurs when the satellite is within 90%

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of its closest approach to earth

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appearing 7% larger and 15% brighter

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than normal now this closest approach

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point is known as the perigee which is

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an average distance of about two hundred

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and twenty six thousand miles from Earth

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this week's tomorrow's pink super moon

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or super pink moon they're also calling

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it will be the biggest and brightest of

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all of 2020 that's right coming in at

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221 thousand miles now it's happening

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tomorrow night April 7th and will be the

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second of six to take place this year so

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get ready for that tomorrow night all

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right let's let's get straight to it

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let's get this show crack and happy

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birthday to today Paul Rudd I said it

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now check this out Paul Rudd today is 51

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years old and here's his biggest movies

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I just want you to listen to this

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with Paul Rudd in movies that have man

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in the title it's just an observation

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okay Zach Braff today is 45 funny guy

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scrubs Michael Rooker one of my favorite

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actors today is 65 years old of course

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he starred in guardians of the galaxy

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and one of my favorite singers of all

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time today except frontman dude Oh

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Dirk

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today is 68 years old now what do you

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think of when when the Udo Dirkschneider

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balls-to-the-wall that's right one of

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the greatest rock and roll songs in the

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history of the known universe great hook

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too man everything about that song is

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great Kudo Dirkschneider today he's like

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this tall that's right I think he is

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about an inch taller than Ronnie James

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Dio he's about that big all right

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guitarists Warren Haynes today the

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Allman Brothers Band guitar God actually

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Warren Haynes today is 60 years old all

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right on this day in history oh TD the

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great 1968 it went down the greatest

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bestest and most respected science

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fiction film of all time 2001 a Space

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Odyssey is released in theaters Fader

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fact hey here you go I'm gonna rant

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about this tonight fader fact JJ

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Thompson won the Nobel Prize in Physics

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in 1906 when he showed electrons or

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particles his son GP Thompson won the

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Nobel Prize in Physics in 1937 for

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showing that electrons are waves go

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figure there you go that's your fader

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fact all right let me hit this River

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moon coffee and it's good coffee River

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moon coffee

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that too you can do that right there all

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right Kim Lee Teuk in Brian Greene's new

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book until the end of time he covers

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everything what like what consciousness

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maybe he explores that as a physicist

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the beginning of time and the eventual

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end of everything and and pretty much

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everything in between

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as well he explores one subject that is

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totally mind-blowing and very difficult

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to wrap your head around and that is

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that eventually everything will just end

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it's gonna stop it's gonna cease to

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exist

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you see our universe is about 13.8

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billion years old and we know this for a

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few reasons

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but there was one thing that we do know

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is that light energy and particles are

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here in the now now and everything is at

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least well 13:8 and 13.8 billion years

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old our Earth and Sun are around 4.8

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billion years old now we are told that

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energy always exists doesn't go anywhere

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it's what we taught our Sun will last

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about another 10 billion years in its

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current form by the way it will

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eventually burn out but it will be

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around another trillion years or two

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trillion years just just hanging out

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there little little red dwarf little

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white dwarf about that big just hanging

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out there dense

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butts just hanging out there for a

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couple of trillion years small red

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dwarfs are thought to last for

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billions of years now these are really

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big numbers you talk about the earth

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being four point eight billion years old

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the Sun ten billion years the universe

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13.8 these are big numbers trillions of

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years red dwarfs white you know the huge

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numbers huge expanses of time for sure

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but in the vast scale of time these are

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actually very small digits that's right

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and this is where things start to get

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strange you see the constituents of

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atoms which are protons neutrons and

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electrons will eventually die that's

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right they will fall apart and stop

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making things trippy right right now the

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concept that we understand is that they

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atoms and their particles last forever

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right but apparently they do not this is

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this is easy to believe that everything

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lasts forever because our planet Earth

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is made up of these things these atoms

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in these particles all right and hey

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it's been around for five billion years

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it's gonna be around for five billion

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more Wow so what do we have to worry

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about what do we have to think about

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what do we have to contemplate well

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let's push things out to the future a

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little bit and let's take a look at

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where we will be right because sooner or

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later we will have to leave this planet

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and find someplace else to hang out and

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we will right we will we have to will it

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be out another planet in our galaxy

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don't know or will we just live on a

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giant spacecraft cruising around deep

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space possibly it will definitely be one

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or the other

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probably both now here's the dark part

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trillions and trillions of trillions of

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years in the future

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while roaming the Stars our vast fleet

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of communal star cruisers will wait for

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it just dissolve they will dissolve into

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nothing and so will we

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those atoms and their building blocks of

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protons and neutrons and electrons will

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stop being themselves poof gone lifeless

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micro Stardust everything that binds us

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together will be gone and there's

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nothing we can do about it

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eventually our universe will expand and

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and as it does it will flicker out we're

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gonna have darkness everywhere our

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consciousness this our consciousness

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which may be balls of energy floating

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around the Stars containing all of our

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memories and history will vanish as well

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that's right there will be nothing left

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to show anyone our greatness wait did I

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just say show anyone else how could this

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be if everything has ended right there

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shouldn't be anyone else out there let

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me continue there is a problem that

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Brian bring that Brian Green brings up

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and it's starting to be discussed right

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now in the world of physics and science

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and that is that our Big Bang was just a

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little pop in the vastness of all that

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there is Big Bang's happen all the time

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our universe it's bang and our

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measurement of time are localized space

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is infinite and it continues on forever

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out there particles and atoms are

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created all the time new universes are

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created new life galaxies solar systems

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just like ours trillions and trillions

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and trillions of years in the future we

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we'll be driving through the universe a

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universe that has just ended another

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universe next to ours that expanded over

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with all of its life and its history

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dissolved into nothingness we will have

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no evidence of the worlds that came

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before us it's the same for the new

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universe that is next door that was just

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born its life created and and as they

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start to do the same thing that we are

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doing now which is travelled to the

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Stars and take a trip take a trip maybe

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through our part of space where we once

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called home but there'll be nothing for

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them to see there'll be nothing of us

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nothing of what we knew nothing of what

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we created they'll never know the size

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of space and what time really maybe is

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something so large and long we really

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can't grasp it and when we start to

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examine it closer okay as we are now

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okay in in the now now our lifespan for

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each human really starts to get small

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really really really short the entire

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existence of humanity all of it from

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beginning to end will also be very very

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short we've always been told that

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nothing lasts forever and today Brian

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Greene is certainly suggesting that this

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is true those ultra dependable atoms

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those protons those neutrons and

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electrons all have a lifespan just like

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us and we'll eventually just peter out

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poof gone yeah it may be far far into

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the future but nothing lasts forever so

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what do we do well we know that we live

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on this big beautiful blue planet we've

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got some great food we've got great

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weather life is pretty good most of the

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time and we should truly make the best

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of it while we are still here the

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average person lives to be 70 years old

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that is about 25,550 days on this planet

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I'm 56 years old which gives me only

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about 5110 days left to make the best of

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it and you should too seriously I'm

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yours Jimmy church this is fade to black

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our guest tonight Joshua P Warren that's

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right we're gonna be doing ghosts and

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the paranormal

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all night long stay right there this is

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fade to black and the game changer

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Network and K GRA the planet I'll be

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right back after this short break stay

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this is Nicole Church daughter of

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you-know-who and you're listening to

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black I

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am your host Jimmy Church tonight Joshua

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would be warm

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he is back we're gonna do a full night

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of ghosts in the paranormal tomorrow

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night

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Chuck Zukowski Chuck Zukowski is back we

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are going to talk get foot and you

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oppose the 37th parallel

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Wednesday night pal Harris is back with

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us gonna do rundown on all the UFO news

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around the world Thursday night is

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another Fator night and we will be not

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only having open lines all night long

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but we're gonna give away another for

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fade to black memberships to those in

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need and who are staying at home tonight

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it is Joshua P Warren Joshua was an

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investigator who pioneers the amazing

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relationship between the mind energy

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matter and strange phenomena the author

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of over 20 best-selling books including

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00:36:28,820 --> 00:36:26,430
used the force a Jedi's guide to the law

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00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,830
of attraction and the wishing machine

614
00:36:34,100 --> 00:36:31,680
handbook he has appeared on numerous TV

615
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:34,110
programs on history Discovery NatGeo

616
00:36:40,190 --> 00:36:37,890
animal plant sci-fi TLC in a start on

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00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,200
the Travel Channel series paranormal

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00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:42,000
paparazzi he travels the world

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investigating mysterious phenomena and

620
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:46,830
made the cover of a science journal in

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00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:49,290
2004 for lab experiments regarding

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00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:52,530
energy fields in nature related to the

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Brown Mountain lights I would like to

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00:36:56,330 --> 00:36:55,860
welcome back to fade to black the one

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and only

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Joshua P Warren Joshua will good evening

627
00:37:03,350 --> 00:37:01,320
man how are you I'm doing very well

628
00:37:05,660 --> 00:37:03,360
thank you Jimmy great to be with you

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00:37:09,620 --> 00:37:05,670
you know what's you know what Jasper I'm

630
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:09,630
gonna start off here finally after all

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00:37:16,910 --> 00:37:13,140
of these years we got to hang out oh yes

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00:37:19,580 --> 00:37:16,920
so we get to hang out and we have never

633
00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:19,590
met and Reid and I are walking up and

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00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:21,780
you were standing with a group of people

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00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:23,940
outside of the building that we were

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00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:27,090
going to and and I saw you from a block

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00:37:33,650 --> 00:37:29,160
away and I turned to read on I go that's

638
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:33,660
Joshua right there so anyway we step up

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00:37:39,370 --> 00:37:36,650
and this is what

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00:37:42,700 --> 00:37:39,380
didn't know I didn't know that you were

641
00:37:46,180 --> 00:37:42,710
that tall and there's something else

642
00:37:48,579 --> 00:37:46,190
that that goes with that you you you're

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00:37:50,289 --> 00:37:48,589
in black you got the black fedora you

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00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:50,299
got the thing you got the int and you're

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00:37:56,829 --> 00:37:54,049
tall and you got the boy you you are the

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00:37:59,799 --> 00:37:56,839
paranormal man you are you live it do

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you realize that well thank you that is

648
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:02,510
a wonderful compliment and yeah it's

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00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:05,119
true I can't distinguish between my my

650
00:38:09,779 --> 00:38:08,089
private personal life and my paranormal

651
00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:09,789
research it's all just one big

652
00:38:16,269 --> 00:38:13,250
experience but I'm happy to hear that

653
00:38:19,769 --> 00:38:16,279
you were you were satisfied with my

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00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:19,779
presentation it was so cool and then

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00:38:27,730 --> 00:38:21,890
really quick I want to tell everybody

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00:38:30,460 --> 00:38:27,740
what we did so we we ended up going out

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00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:30,470
to dinner after your presentation there

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and we don't need to discuss that we'll

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00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:36,230
save that for another time but anyway we

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00:38:41,589 --> 00:38:39,440
go out to dinner and I'm trying to think

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00:38:44,589 --> 00:38:41,599
there was what there was five five of us

662
00:38:47,890 --> 00:38:44,599
it was Laura can't - Rita myself and

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00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:47,900
Lauren and and yourself so I can't add

664
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:49,520
that up is that five or six

665
00:38:55,900 --> 00:38:53,089
yeah that's five five five and we went

666
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:55,910
to what's the name of the place that we

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00:38:58,450 --> 00:38:56,450
went to

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it's called the pepper mill the pepper

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mill okay the pepper mill for those that

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00:39:08,620 --> 00:39:05,869
don't know in Vegas is so we don't know

671
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:08,630
what to expect we go in and we go into

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00:39:17,710 --> 00:39:13,970
the lounge and the lounge is this very

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00:39:21,849 --> 00:39:17,720
elegant by the way very very nice but

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00:39:25,089 --> 00:39:21,859
fifties kitsch that's looking into the

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00:39:27,970 --> 00:39:25,099
future Kitsch right it's like the 50s

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00:39:31,690 --> 00:39:27,980
version of what they thought 2020 would

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be but it's it's like you're stuck in a

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time warp thing and what a great

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00:39:41,529 --> 00:39:38,450
atmosphere and we were able to just sit

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and talk for the evening and we just had

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a great time and I want to thank you for

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that it was just absolutely amazing well

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you're welcome it was a pleasure to

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enjoy that evening with all of you and

685
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:51,630
of course you know the great thing about

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the Peppermill is it captures that sort

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of atmosphere that people used to expect

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from Vegas where like you said it's kind

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of kitschy and engali but at the same

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00:40:08,210 --> 00:40:06,120
time it's somehow sort of elite and it's

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got the whole like Rat Pack vibe and

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00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:11,100
there there's fountains and flames and

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dim lighting and you know they actually

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have shot a number of movies there

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including a famous scene from the movie

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00:40:24,110 --> 00:40:21,120
Casino where Robert De Niro is sitting

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00:40:26,660 --> 00:40:24,120
there next to Sharon Stone so it's it's

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that caliber a place and so it was a

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00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:28,440
delight to be able to share that with

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you and Rita and Lauren and and Laura

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00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:33,780
and Lauren and I had a wonderful time

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and it kind of felt like we've known

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each other forever

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00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:38,820
yeah well now I don't want to disappoint

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00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:40,110
anybody

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00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:44,910
we talked UFOs and the paranormal for

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00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:47,010
about three or four straight hours

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00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:50,430
we never deviated off of that

709
00:40:54,380 --> 00:40:52,380
conversation it was just incredible and

710
00:40:57,140 --> 00:40:54,390
you know to be sitting there with you

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00:40:58,850 --> 00:40:57,150
dressed in black in that place and and

712
00:41:00,980 --> 00:40:58,860
talking about Hugo foes and our

713
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:00,990
experiences it was just a perfect

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00:41:05,660 --> 00:41:03,330
evening on the strip it was just it was

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00:41:07,820 --> 00:41:05,670
an amazing time well you know what I

716
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:07,830
even mentioned to you that it's funny

717
00:41:12,710 --> 00:41:09,930
how that you and I both have created

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00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:12,720
this this leave these lifestyles I guess

719
00:41:17,420 --> 00:41:14,850
we're basically even when you're going

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00:41:18,860 --> 00:41:17,430
out to socialize it's paranormal you

721
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:18,870
just can't get away from that's it

722
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:21,570
that's it that's it that's it now what I

723
00:41:29,300 --> 00:41:23,910
wanted to do okay

724
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,310
I'm gonna circle back to our one of the

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00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:31,200
conversations we had that night at the

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00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:33,000
pepper mill okay

727
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:35,850
but I want to start off here and then

728
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:36,960
we're gonna go into that conversation

729
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:41,370
why I brought up the pepper mill is why

730
00:41:46,130 --> 00:41:45,210
is it Joshua that people like to get

731
00:41:49,970 --> 00:41:46,140
scared

732
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:49,980
we we are playing Diablo 3 right now

733
00:41:56,410 --> 00:41:52,560
reading I've it's this video game that

734
00:42:02,320 --> 00:41:59,950
scary it's it's visually stunning and

735
00:42:04,390 --> 00:42:02,330
scary and bloody and all of that and you

736
00:42:05,950 --> 00:42:04,400
can't get enough of it you can't walk

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00:42:08,110 --> 00:42:05,960
away from the game you just want to get

738
00:42:11,590 --> 00:42:08,120
more scared and more terrified and and

739
00:42:14,890 --> 00:42:11,600
have more fun doing it it I'm just like

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00:42:19,090 --> 00:42:14,900
everybody else why why is that is it our

741
00:42:22,270 --> 00:42:19,100
DNA why do we like to get scared I think

742
00:42:24,430 --> 00:42:22,280
perhaps I must agree with Alfred

743
00:42:28,210 --> 00:42:24,440
Hitchcock's response to that question so

744
00:42:32,050 --> 00:42:28,220
many years ago he said people like to

745
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:32,060
experience fear when they know in the

746
00:42:39,250 --> 00:42:34,610
back of their mind they're actually safe

747
00:42:41,860 --> 00:42:39,260
and so in other words if you are in a

748
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:41,870
truly scary situation you want to be out

749
00:42:45,610 --> 00:42:43,730
of that as soon as possible if

750
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:45,620
somebody's chasing you through you know

751
00:42:49,330 --> 00:42:47,510
trying to kill you with the machete you

752
00:42:51,370 --> 00:42:49,340
you know that's not fun if it's

753
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:51,380
happening in real life but if you

754
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:54,170
actually know that you're safe then I

755
00:42:59,860 --> 00:42:56,210
believe that you can appreciate these

756
00:43:01,030 --> 00:42:59,870
things as an adrenaline rush it's you

757
00:43:02,620 --> 00:43:01,040
know there's a lot of thrill-seeking

758
00:43:04,660 --> 00:43:02,630
going on there I mean why do people

759
00:43:06,460 --> 00:43:04,670
enjoy a roller coaster it's that same

760
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:06,470
thing now occasionally the roller

761
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:08,690
coaster flies apart and people die but

762
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:10,490
most of the time you believe you're

763
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:13,490
going to end that you know safely and so

764
00:43:19,050 --> 00:43:17,210
I think it goes to the fact that we we

765
00:43:21,970 --> 00:43:19,060
just enjoy all kinds of different

766
00:43:23,950 --> 00:43:21,980
feelings and experiences in life you

767
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,960
might watch a sad movie one day and then

768
00:43:27,220 --> 00:43:25,520
a funny movie the next day and then an

769
00:43:29,470 --> 00:43:27,230
action movie the next day depending on

770
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:29,480
what mood you're in and and I think the

771
00:43:37,810 --> 00:43:33,920
experience of fear is is is exhilarating

772
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:37,820
more so for some than others and that is

773
00:43:42,910 --> 00:43:40,730
why we have this whole culture this

774
00:43:45,190 --> 00:43:42,920
whole industry built around allowing you

775
00:43:49,260 --> 00:43:45,200
to feel that without being in any real

776
00:43:52,930 --> 00:43:49,270
danger now the the other part of this is

777
00:43:55,780 --> 00:43:52,940
those that actually go out and invite

778
00:43:57,700 --> 00:43:55,790
this scare invite the danger where

779
00:44:00,310 --> 00:43:57,710
they're out hunting ghosts so they're

780
00:44:03,010 --> 00:44:00,320
going to sacred sites they're invoking

781
00:44:05,140 --> 00:44:03,020
and they're saying things and you know

782
00:44:07,950 --> 00:44:05,150
they're poking the eye of the bear you

783
00:44:10,710 --> 00:44:07,960
know with a stick so to speak you

784
00:44:13,290 --> 00:44:10,720
do that too you're out there you're

785
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,300
going to these haunted places so I'm

786
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:15,520
gonna ask you you're not necessarily in

787
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:16,570
a safe place

788
00:44:21,750 --> 00:44:18,400
but you're jumping in with both feet

789
00:44:24,690 --> 00:44:21,760
aren't you I have on many many occasions

790
00:44:28,050 --> 00:44:24,700
there are things that I no longer would

791
00:44:30,030 --> 00:44:28,060
do that I have done in the past you know

792
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:30,040
literally trying to conjure up the devil

793
00:44:34,770 --> 00:44:31,570
and stuff like that you know just to see

794
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:34,780
if it works right I probably wouldn't do

795
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:37,570
that anymore but but the fact of the

796
00:44:42,839 --> 00:44:40,450
matter is I have always been interested

797
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:42,849
in this from a slightly different angle

798
00:44:46,589 --> 00:44:45,130
than the average person I think that

799
00:44:49,490 --> 00:44:46,599
most of the people who go out there

800
00:44:51,870 --> 00:44:49,500
looking into these things they truly are

801
00:44:55,530 --> 00:44:51,880
expecting to have some kind of a thrill

802
00:44:58,859 --> 00:44:55,540
and for me this may be a little bit more

803
00:45:00,900 --> 00:44:58,869
boring but I've always been intrigued

804
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:00,910
with how these things physically

805
00:45:05,550 --> 00:45:03,310
manifest how they physically materialize

806
00:45:08,970 --> 00:45:05,560
and whether or not there is some way we

807
00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:08,980
can tap into that in order to create a

808
00:45:13,859 --> 00:45:12,070
power supply that we can use for all

809
00:45:16,589 --> 00:45:13,869
kinds of different reasons so in other

810
00:45:17,700 --> 00:45:16,599
words if you have a ghost and all of a

811
00:45:21,089 --> 00:45:17,710
sudden in the middle of this empty room

812
00:45:23,370 --> 00:45:21,099
we have this large luminous form that

813
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:23,380
appears and electricity is crackling and

814
00:45:27,930 --> 00:45:25,450
popping all around where the heck is

815
00:45:31,829 --> 00:45:27,940
that energy physically coming from and

816
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:31,839
so I've always been intrigued with with

817
00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:33,210
trying to understand the relationship

818
00:45:39,180 --> 00:45:35,950
between these different planes of

819
00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:39,190
existence and because of that sometimes

820
00:45:46,290 --> 00:45:42,070
I have ended up in a very scary

821
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,300
situation before I realized I was in a

822
00:45:50,010 --> 00:45:48,160
very scary situation because sometimes

823
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:50,020
my nose was stuck a little too much in

824
00:45:55,230 --> 00:45:52,930
the meter or in the video camera and

825
00:45:57,390 --> 00:45:55,240
then all of a sudden I say holy crap

826
00:46:00,750 --> 00:45:57,400
something really scary is happening here

827
00:46:03,510 --> 00:46:00,760
and now I have to deal with it well and

828
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:03,520
I was listening this is about two weeks

829
00:46:09,270 --> 00:46:05,770
ago and I'm listening to an interview

830
00:46:11,070 --> 00:46:09,280
with physicist Sean Carroll who's one of

831
00:46:13,859 --> 00:46:11,080
those rock star physicists these days

832
00:46:16,270 --> 00:46:13,869
and I really enjoy his work but he said

833
00:46:19,900 --> 00:46:16,280
something that really took me back

834
00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:19,910
and I didn't dig it he was asked about

835
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:22,760
life after death and ghosts right and

836
00:46:28,540 --> 00:46:25,250
and remember all of this is in the

837
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:28,550
middle of a discussion about parallel

838
00:46:34,270 --> 00:46:32,090
worlds and and and the multiverse and

839
00:46:38,620 --> 00:46:34,280
multiple versions infinite versions of

840
00:46:40,540 --> 00:46:38,630
you and I and and and so forth and he

841
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:40,550
said Wow you know when it comes to

842
00:46:46,210 --> 00:46:42,710
ghosts and life after death and the

843
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:46,220
paranormal that stuff isn't real and I

844
00:46:54,370 --> 00:46:50,210
don't have the time to even think about

845
00:46:57,730 --> 00:46:54,380
them now it's really you're listening to

846
00:47:01,780 --> 00:46:57,740
a physicist who is trying to convince

847
00:47:04,030 --> 00:47:01,790
you about his work and the multiverse in

848
00:47:05,620 --> 00:47:04,040
parallel worlds and extra dimensions and

849
00:47:08,590 --> 00:47:05,630
multiple versions of us and

850
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:08,600
Schrodinger's cat and all of this but

851
00:47:11,770 --> 00:47:11,450
yet he doesn't think that ghosts are

852
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:11,780
real

853
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:14,810
when he's explaining physics at that

854
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:17,090
point that is saying that ghosts are

855
00:47:24,220 --> 00:47:20,570
real I don't get it and one day science

856
00:47:26,140 --> 00:47:24,230
is gonna head on you know crash into the

857
00:47:29,350 --> 00:47:26,150
paranormal world and find out what's

858
00:47:32,490 --> 00:47:29,360
really happening out there oh sure and

859
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:32,500
in fact if you understand a little about

860
00:47:36,790 --> 00:47:34,850
all these different subjects from

861
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:36,800
multiple perspectives you could say that

862
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:39,170
it's easy to sort of seamlessly tie it

863
00:47:44,500 --> 00:47:41,450
all together right now the problem is

864
00:47:47,950 --> 00:47:44,510
people who become an expert in one area

865
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:47,960
or another they have blinders on to all

866
00:47:53,710 --> 00:47:50,690
of these other perspectives on the same

867
00:47:55,810 --> 00:47:53,720
subject matter so for example I watched

868
00:47:57,880 --> 00:47:55,820
a documentary and maybe a couple years

869
00:48:00,520 --> 00:47:57,890
ago and it was about how all of these

870
00:48:02,620 --> 00:48:00,530
biologists knew things that physicists

871
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:02,630
and chemists didn't know and the chemist

872
00:48:06,190 --> 00:48:04,490
knew things that the biologists didn't

873
00:48:08,110 --> 00:48:06,200
know and the physicists new things the

874
00:48:10,300 --> 00:48:08,120
and so they all have to come together

875
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:10,310
sometimes in a lot of it is just

876
00:48:16,890 --> 00:48:12,730
restricted by terminology and language

877
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:16,900
right I mean what he calls some kind of

878
00:48:24,130 --> 00:48:20,810
you know multiplanar quantum field or

879
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:24,140
whatever I might call a spirit and so

880
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:26,000
you have to be a little versatile in

881
00:48:29,590 --> 00:48:27,890
your language because I think if we can

882
00:48:31,060 --> 00:48:29,600
get our language to match up

883
00:48:32,980 --> 00:48:31,070
a little bit more will realize that more

884
00:48:35,410 --> 00:48:32,990
often than not we're talking about the

885
00:48:37,780 --> 00:48:35,420
same things and people who especially

886
00:48:41,290 --> 00:48:37,790
are getting a paycheck from a big

887
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:41,300
university they don't want to become

888
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:45,850
stigmatized by associating with

889
00:48:51,010 --> 00:48:48,050
terminology that's used by somebody

890
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:51,020
who's not as educated in their in their

891
00:48:55,780 --> 00:48:53,210
view and so a lot of it just has to do

892
00:48:58,480 --> 00:48:55,790
with ego but you you find that if we are

893
00:49:01,630 --> 00:48:58,490
indeed living in a universe that means

894
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:01,640
it's one thing it's all connected and if

895
00:49:06,190 --> 00:49:04,160
there is a unified truth then there

896
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:06,200
should be many different paths that all

897
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:09,050
lead to that same single unified truth

898
00:49:16,090 --> 00:49:12,170
there is there's another element to this

899
00:49:20,380 --> 00:49:16,100
and I want to yes or no answer from you

900
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:20,390
first before I follow which is this do

901
00:49:29,590 --> 00:49:24,730
you think that you have to want to

902
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:29,600
observe the paranormal in order to see

903
00:49:35,020 --> 00:49:32,450
it and that right do you understand what

904
00:49:37,810 --> 00:49:35,030
I'm saying and if if you're if you don't

905
00:49:38,140 --> 00:49:37,820
want to see it you're never going to see

906
00:49:41,740 --> 00:49:38,150
it

907
00:49:46,150 --> 00:49:41,750
what do you think about that no I don't

908
00:49:49,630 --> 00:49:46,160
think that's correct I think that it's

909
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:49,640
it is more common for someone to see the

910
00:49:56,020 --> 00:49:52,570
paranormal and then dismiss it and

911
00:49:57,790 --> 00:49:56,030
explain it away if you're the type of

912
00:49:59,860 --> 00:49:57,800
person who's not looking for it because

913
00:50:02,070 --> 00:49:59,870
you say well that couldn't have been

914
00:50:05,290 --> 00:50:02,080
what it looked like it was at there

915
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:05,300
right right but on the other hand that's

916
00:50:10,210 --> 00:50:07,850
why I have been so adamant throughout my

917
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:10,220
life and I've been investigating the

918
00:50:14,730 --> 00:50:12,530
paranormal professionally for about 27

919
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:14,740
years I've been so adamant about

920
00:50:20,110 --> 00:50:16,850
documenting things and so fortunately

921
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:20,120
most of the times and my life when I

922
00:50:26,290 --> 00:50:22,490
have experienced something extreme I

923
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:26,300
have it video recorded and or at least

924
00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:28,850
photographed and honestly on many of

925
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:30,920
those occasions if I had not done that I

926
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:34,130
would have second-guessed myself because

927
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:37,370
people forget the fact that paranormal

928
00:50:43,540 --> 00:50:40,160
means it's not normal it doesn't usually

929
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:43,550
happen and and these are rare

930
00:50:49,090 --> 00:50:45,410
and that's why when you watch all these

931
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:49,100
television shows that become silly

932
00:50:53,730 --> 00:50:51,410
because they exaggerate the smallest

933
00:50:57,100 --> 00:50:53,740
things they're trying really really hard

934
00:50:58,990 --> 00:50:57,110
to make it look like something big is

935
00:51:01,690 --> 00:50:59,000
happening when big things don't happen

936
00:51:03,670 --> 00:51:01,700
very often and so that makes it look

937
00:51:05,890 --> 00:51:03,680
like in general if you're judging the

938
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:05,900
field only based upon that type of

939
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:08,810
entertainment that everybody is out

940
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:10,730
there just making mountains out of

941
00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:13,490
molehills but in reality when you when

942
00:51:17,530 --> 00:51:15,710
you spend time studying this like I have

943
00:51:19,210 --> 00:51:17,540
and there are a lot of great researchers

944
00:51:21,940 --> 00:51:19,220
out there who've devoted their lives to

945
00:51:24,670 --> 00:51:21,950
this you understand that you might have

946
00:51:29,050 --> 00:51:24,680
to observe a location for a year in

947
00:51:31,180 --> 00:51:29,060
order to capture one or two anomalies so

948
00:51:33,010 --> 00:51:31,190
the database there is very limited and

949
00:51:36,100 --> 00:51:33,020
that's one of the reasons it makes it

950
00:51:38,650 --> 00:51:36,110
difficult to study but also you find

951
00:51:40,330 --> 00:51:38,660
that when you have for example the

952
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:40,340
scientists you were talking about he

953
00:51:45,730 --> 00:51:43,520
said I don't even have the time to think

954
00:51:47,830 --> 00:51:45,740
about ghosts or whatever well that's in

955
00:51:51,010 --> 00:51:47,840
essence also what he's saying that this

956
00:51:54,250 --> 00:51:51,020
is a very time-consuming thing because

957
00:51:55,900 --> 00:51:54,260
it is rare and much rarer than the

958
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:55,910
entertainment business would lead you to

959
00:52:03,250 --> 00:51:58,640
believe right and for him to be so

960
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:03,260
dismissive of it because science and law

961
00:52:09,930 --> 00:52:05,810
education and universities yeah it's

962
00:52:13,150 --> 00:52:09,940
supposed to be out about expanding right

963
00:52:16,750 --> 00:52:13,160
questioning and fixing and moving on

964
00:52:19,690 --> 00:52:16,760
right and in exploring not shutting it

965
00:52:23,950 --> 00:52:19,700
down right and not wandering and for

966
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:23,960
Sean Carroll to go yeah now it's a ghost

967
00:52:29,950 --> 00:52:26,480
aren't real you know so why waste my

968
00:52:32,890 --> 00:52:29,960
time on it it's just a an immediate

969
00:52:34,660 --> 00:52:32,900
close down thought process that I just

970
00:52:38,350 --> 00:52:34,670
don't think should exist in science at

971
00:52:41,260 --> 00:52:38,360
all well not only that but I doubt he

972
00:52:44,980 --> 00:52:41,270
even gave us his definition of what a

973
00:52:49,570 --> 00:52:44,990
ghost is but then and that's important

974
00:52:53,740 --> 00:52:49,580
because ghosts are real at very least in

975
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:53,750
terms of the human experience people say

976
00:52:58,030 --> 00:52:55,730
they see ghosts

977
00:53:00,130 --> 00:52:58,040
whatever they are now that becomes a

978
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:00,140
different conversation right right but

979
00:53:04,510 --> 00:53:01,849
there's no doubt that this is a real

980
00:53:06,609 --> 00:53:04,520
phenomenon and it reminds me of you know

981
00:53:11,260 --> 00:53:06,619
one time I was doing a radio program and

982
00:53:14,049 --> 00:53:11,270
we took a call and the caller said well

983
00:53:17,289 --> 00:53:14,059
there's no way that ghosts can exist

984
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:17,299
because the Bible says that when you die

985
00:53:21,099 --> 00:53:19,760
your soul goes to heaven or hell or

986
00:53:24,339 --> 00:53:21,109
whatever and it doesn't stick around

987
00:53:28,270 --> 00:53:24,349
here and I said well you are assuming

988
00:53:31,450 --> 00:53:28,280
that a ghost is the soul of a living

989
00:53:34,450 --> 00:53:31,460
thing we have ghosts of inanimate

990
00:53:37,150 --> 00:53:34,460
objects I mean we have ghost trains and

991
00:53:39,339 --> 00:53:37,160
ghosts stagecoaches and ghost ships I

992
00:53:42,339 --> 00:53:39,349
mean you have people who not only see

993
00:53:44,859 --> 00:53:42,349
the ghost of the old farmer but also the

994
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:44,869
old farmhouse behind him and so we're

995
00:53:52,089 --> 00:53:48,410
not just defining a ghost as this the

996
00:53:54,670 --> 00:53:52,099
spirit of a living thing it's broader

997
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:54,680
than that and so that's the first thing

998
00:53:58,480 --> 00:53:56,089
we have to deal with when anybody is

999
00:54:00,819 --> 00:53:58,490
going to comment on on the reality of

1000
00:54:02,260 --> 00:54:00,829
ghostly phenomena I like to know what

1001
00:54:04,450 --> 00:54:02,270
that person is talking about you know

1002
00:54:06,190 --> 00:54:04,460
I'm happy to give my definition but my

1003
00:54:07,930 --> 00:54:06,200
definition is probably going to be a

1004
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:07,940
little broader and maybe makes you think

1005
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:09,290
about things that you are not

1006
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:10,970
considering when you use that word

1007
00:54:17,770 --> 00:54:13,849
whether you look at evidence what's your

1008
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:17,780
favorite is it is it old film right

1009
00:54:23,099 --> 00:54:20,569
analog is it digital cameras it's a

1010
00:54:26,490 --> 00:54:23,109
digital recording or is there another

1011
00:54:29,740 --> 00:54:26,500
measurement that you like to consider

1012
00:54:31,420 --> 00:54:29,750
well at the end of the day we all know

1013
00:54:32,170 --> 00:54:31,430
the adage you've got to see it to

1014
00:54:35,650 --> 00:54:32,180
believe it

1015
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:35,660
so I can show you some just fascinating

1016
00:54:41,650 --> 00:54:38,960
data of electromagnetic anomalies or

1017
00:54:44,950 --> 00:54:41,660
electrostatic fields or different types

1018
00:54:46,750 --> 00:54:44,960
of radiation the that corresponds to

1019
00:54:50,170 --> 00:54:46,760
someone having an experience but

1020
00:54:52,930 --> 00:54:50,180
ultimately you really need to get a good

1021
00:54:55,569 --> 00:54:52,940
image and we've reached the point now

1022
00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:55,579
where we have a lot a lot a lot of

1023
00:55:01,859 --> 00:54:58,130
really fascinating authentic paranormal

1024
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:01,869
imagery what we are lacking in still is

1025
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:04,490
having it captured from multiple points

1026
00:55:09,130 --> 00:55:06,799
of view at the same time so that you can

1027
00:55:12,009 --> 00:55:09,140
at least see it in 3d

1028
00:55:14,289 --> 00:55:12,019
because if you're going to gauge the

1029
00:55:16,660 --> 00:55:14,299
physical characteristics of something on

1030
00:55:18,670 --> 00:55:16,670
a piece of footage you really need to

1031
00:55:20,589 --> 00:55:18,680
see it from more than one point of view

1032
00:55:21,609 --> 00:55:20,599
and if you if you do that you can tell

1033
00:55:25,269 --> 00:55:21,619
how big it is

1034
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:25,279
how it relates to other items its

1035
00:55:29,829 --> 00:55:27,920
orientation to the scene and so that's

1036
00:55:33,789 --> 00:55:29,839
what we need to do next is we need to

1037
00:55:36,819 --> 00:55:33,799
start focusing more on going to places

1038
00:55:39,339 --> 00:55:36,829
that are hot spots and then ringing that

1039
00:55:41,019 --> 00:55:39,349
whole place with cameras and then having

1040
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:41,029
an instrument pack in the middle and

1041
00:55:44,589 --> 00:55:42,559
that's a project that I'm working on

1042
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:44,599
right now we call it the Mobius mission

1043
00:55:48,130 --> 00:55:46,640
and I've already started this I haven't

1044
00:55:50,769 --> 00:55:48,140
talked too much about it because I don't

1045
00:55:52,299 --> 00:55:50,779
want to compromise my locations but that

1046
00:55:53,589 --> 00:55:52,309
I'm doing this I'm going to places that

1047
00:55:55,660 --> 00:55:53,599
have quite a reputation

1048
00:55:57,160 --> 00:55:55,670
I'm putting cameras around from many

1049
00:55:58,569 --> 00:55:57,170
different points of view with an

1050
00:56:00,190 --> 00:55:58,579
instrument pack in the middle I've

1051
00:56:02,829 --> 00:56:00,200
already gotten some really interesting

1052
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:02,839
results but I haven't hit the homerun

1053
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:05,930
that I I suspect I will someday and when

1054
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:08,210
you see you know I can't put a I can't

1055
00:56:12,250 --> 00:56:09,920
put a ghost in a jar or a Ghostbusters

1056
00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:12,260
trap and you know then I put it on the

1057
00:56:17,170 --> 00:56:14,990
shelf in my Museum I wish right then the

1058
00:56:20,170 --> 00:56:17,180
next best thing might be showing you

1059
00:56:23,019 --> 00:56:20,180
this ghost from every single point of

1060
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:23,029
view showing it interacting with the

1061
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:24,410
environment and affecting these

1062
00:56:27,940 --> 00:56:26,450
instruments and then when all that's

1063
00:56:30,970 --> 00:56:27,950
done I'll go and take a lie detector

1064
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,980
test or whatever I have to do in order

1065
00:56:36,519 --> 00:56:33,440
to say look nobody's tampered with this

1066
00:56:38,529 --> 00:56:36,529
this is the if if somebody has a better

1067
00:56:40,569 --> 00:56:38,539
idea if that approve that an apparition

1068
00:56:40,900 --> 00:56:40,579
has appeared I'd love to hear it I'm all

1069
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:40,910
ears

1070
00:56:45,309 --> 00:56:42,890
but I think that is what we need to do

1071
00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:45,319
next and that's where we as serious

1072
00:56:52,749 --> 00:56:48,430
investigators need to focus if you and I

1073
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:52,759
got an HG Wells time machine you and I

1074
00:56:57,279 --> 00:56:55,730
and we jump in this thing and when we go

1075
00:57:02,380 --> 00:56:57,289
to the past we go to the future right

1076
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:02,390
and we we go somewhere would we okay

1077
00:57:11,230 --> 00:57:06,559
would we physically be there or would we

1078
00:57:13,950 --> 00:57:11,240
be non observable and without upsetting

1079
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:13,960
the universe right there is a balance of

1080
00:57:18,190 --> 00:57:16,130
particles and atoms and if you and I

1081
00:57:22,059 --> 00:57:18,200
jump to the future to the past

1082
00:57:22,750 --> 00:57:22,069
we now are upsetting possibly the known

1083
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:22,760
universe

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00:57:28,330 --> 00:57:25,850
but this is the deal could ghosts and

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00:57:32,650 --> 00:57:28,340
things that we observe today including

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00:57:34,180 --> 00:57:32,660
UFOs merely be things from the future or

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00:57:37,180 --> 00:57:34,190
from the past that are just here

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00:57:40,450 --> 00:57:37,190
visiting us and they're just out of our

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00:57:43,540 --> 00:57:40,460
frequency range I think that's a great

1090
00:57:45,910 --> 00:57:43,550
possibility especially that these are

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00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:45,920
beings from the future and one of my

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00:57:49,090 --> 00:57:47,330
books called the secret wisdom of

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00:57:50,740 --> 00:57:49,100
kukulcan I wrote a lot about this

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00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:50,750
concept and what I called the

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00:57:56,260 --> 00:57:53,359
paratemporal loop hypothesis and without

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00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,270
going down that that rabbit hole what I

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00:58:01,420 --> 00:57:58,640
will tell you is that if ever ever ever

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00:58:05,260 --> 00:58:01,430
ever in all of the infinite future

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00:58:07,470 --> 00:58:05,270
beyond us we or some other species

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00:58:10,359 --> 00:58:07,480
figures out how to travel back in time

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00:58:13,690 --> 00:58:10,369
then we can presume that they will do it

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00:58:17,050 --> 00:58:13,700
and then the question becomes well yes

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00:58:19,540 --> 00:58:17,060
how physical are they or how easy easily

1104
00:58:22,060 --> 00:58:19,550
can they camouflage themselves by the

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00:58:24,940 --> 00:58:22,070
way if you haven't seen the invisibility

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00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:24,950
material that I posted online recently

1107
00:58:30,550 --> 00:58:26,810
you should check that out if you go to

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00:58:32,410 --> 00:58:30,560
Joshua P Warren comm and click the link

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00:58:34,270 --> 00:58:32,420
to the Curiosity Shop you'll see at the

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00:58:35,950 --> 00:58:34,280
bottom there's a video where I'm making

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00:58:39,580 --> 00:58:35,960
things disappear and I even make myself

1112
00:58:41,290 --> 00:58:39,590
disappear in a busy bar in Las Vegas on

1113
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:41,300
a Saturday night and this is not a magic

1114
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:43,609
trick this is a material so it's very

1115
00:58:47,820 --> 00:58:45,530
conceivable that people in the future

1116
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:47,830
would know how to make themselves appear

1117
00:58:53,020 --> 00:58:50,960
almost if not entirely invisible and

1118
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:53,030
it's funny to me when you hear stories

1119
00:58:58,270 --> 00:58:55,970
about shadow people for example usually

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00:59:00,670 --> 00:58:58,280
when someone sees a shadow person the

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00:59:02,770 --> 00:59:00,680
shadow person is kind of hiding in a

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00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:02,780
corner or off to the side of the room

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00:59:09,490 --> 00:59:06,770
and just sort of peeping and as soon as

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00:59:12,820 --> 00:59:09,500
the shadow person is noticed boom it

1125
00:59:15,099 --> 00:59:12,830
flees it disappears and so if this were

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00:59:20,140 --> 00:59:15,109
a person from the future who wants to

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00:59:22,510 --> 00:59:20,150
observe but not mix up the timeline then

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00:59:24,550 --> 00:59:22,520
that might be how that person would

1129
00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:24,560
behave of course another possibility

1130
00:59:27,730 --> 00:59:26,390
which I'm sure we'll get into tonight as

1131
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:27,740
we talk about creepy

1132
00:59:33,130 --> 00:59:30,170
scary stories is that some of these

1133
00:59:36,190 --> 00:59:33,140
beings might actually be parasites that

1134
00:59:38,260 --> 00:59:36,200
are they don't want you to notice them

1135
00:59:40,030 --> 00:59:38,270
because when your backs turned they're

1136
00:59:42,190 --> 00:59:40,040
gonna slip up there and they're gonna

1137
00:59:45,099 --> 00:59:42,200
feed off of you and this is what we

1138
00:59:47,530 --> 00:59:45,109
would often consider to be demonic and

1139
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:47,540
so those are our options but I do

1140
00:59:52,329 --> 00:59:49,730
believe that if we are observed by

1141
00:59:55,450 --> 00:59:52,339
people from the future we can expect

1142
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:55,460
that their craft might often look like

1143
01:00:00,670 --> 00:59:58,880
we call what we call UFOs and they

1144
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:00,680
themselves might behave in a very

1145
01:00:05,170 --> 01:00:03,050
similar fashion to some of these sort of

1146
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,180
phantasmal figures that people report

1147
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:07,520
seeing around their homes and we're

1148
01:00:11,260 --> 01:00:09,410
gonna take a break right here Joshua but

1149
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:11,270
you bring up a point that all those

1150
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:13,490
physicists and theoretical physicists

1151
01:00:18,609 --> 01:00:15,290
quantum physicists that speak about

1152
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:18,619
today which is observation and quantum

1153
01:00:24,430 --> 01:00:20,770
measurement when something is observed

1154
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:24,440
observed you change its state and that

1155
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:27,680
is the fundamental basics of physics

1156
01:00:32,380 --> 01:00:30,290
let's take a break right here our guest

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01:00:34,569 --> 01:00:32,390
tonight Joshua will be warned when we

1158
01:00:36,430 --> 01:00:34,579
get when we come back i titled it we're

1159
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:36,440
gonna go back to the Peppermill in that

1160
01:00:39,460 --> 01:00:38,450
conversation we're gonna do that right

1161
01:00:41,230 --> 01:00:39,470
after this short break

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01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:41,240
I'm your Jimmy Church I guess tonight

1163
01:00:45,970 --> 01:00:44,000
shout you up be warned Joshua just

1164
01:00:49,180 --> 01:00:45,980
posted a picture of you and I and Nick

1165
01:00:52,809 --> 01:00:49,190
on the strip there and you can tell I'm

1166
01:00:55,030 --> 01:00:52,819
6 foot tall look at big boy Joshua we'll

1167
01:00:56,160 --> 01:00:55,040
be right back after this short break

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01:01:08,930 --> 01:00:56,170
stay with us

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01:01:13,100 --> 01:01:11,260
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now there's angio prim it's a liquid

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01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:07,000
welcome back fade to black I am your

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host Jimmy Church I guess tonight Joshua

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P Warren if you miss this live show if

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Joshua P Warren alright back to the

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01:06:38,850 --> 01:06:33,430
Peppermill one of the conversations that

1284
01:06:41,300 --> 01:06:38,860
took up some time was don't I have a

1285
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:41,310
better way to put it then art bells

1286
01:06:49,380 --> 01:06:47,530
little alien gray statue and the the

1287
01:06:53,370 --> 01:06:49,390
statue has a name what is it

1288
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:53,380
the statues name is Carville and I'm

1289
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:54,730
glad that you brought this up because

1290
01:07:02,160 --> 01:06:58,480
this is not just a great story but it

1291
01:07:04,980 --> 01:07:02,170
actually needs to be told for historic

1292
01:07:07,140 --> 01:07:04,990
purposes I mean this is I've done a lot

1293
01:07:11,250 --> 01:07:07,150
of digging to get to pull together the

1294
01:07:13,290 --> 01:07:11,260
history of this thing and so would you

1295
01:07:16,170 --> 01:07:13,300
like to hear the the for the first time

1296
01:07:19,260 --> 01:07:16,180
ever the complete story of art bells

1297
01:07:23,060 --> 01:07:19,270
alien statue that supposedly comes to

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01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:23,070
life yes and and it's it's it's amazing

1299
01:07:29,370 --> 01:07:25,810
and let's actually start here his name

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01:07:31,830 --> 01:07:29,380
is Carville because of James Carville

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01:07:33,540 --> 01:07:31,840
right yeah that's right and by the way I

1302
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:33,550
want to point out before uh since you

1303
01:07:38,100 --> 01:07:35,770
posted the picture with with Nick there

1304
01:07:40,350 --> 01:07:38,110
it was so fitting because I got to meet

1305
01:07:43,530 --> 01:07:40,360
you and read it because you came to the

1306
01:07:45,810 --> 01:07:43,540
creepy Vegas ghosts and UFOs show which

1307
01:07:48,270 --> 01:07:45,820
I produce here in Vegas Nick weird is

1308
01:07:51,540 --> 01:07:48,280
the host and yes of course it's on hold

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01:07:52,770 --> 01:07:51,550
for the time being since we can't you

1310
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:52,780
know everything's closed and you can't

1311
01:07:58,530 --> 01:07:55,680
gather but it will be back soon so

1312
01:08:00,660 --> 01:07:58,540
hopefully if any of your listeners would

1313
01:08:02,910 --> 01:08:00,670
like to come and see the show

1314
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:02,920
they can go to creepy Vegas com2 stay

1315
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:04,690
updated on when that will be available

1316
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:06,610
but you guys seem to have a pretty good

1317
01:08:12,690 --> 01:08:08,890
time Yeah right yeah Nick Nick is is

1318
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:12,700
grabbing your great but Nick really does

1319
01:08:17,519 --> 01:08:13,930
a fantastic

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01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:17,529
job and I I was there man

1321
01:08:23,959 --> 01:08:20,170
I was I was with you guys I was just

1322
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:23,969
fully fully engaged I I haven't posted

1323
01:08:28,829 --> 01:08:26,170
we're gonna get back to this a little

1324
01:08:32,130 --> 01:08:28,839
bit later I haven't posted the pictures

1325
01:08:35,939 --> 01:08:32,140
I've been sitting on them of of the

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01:08:40,260 --> 01:08:35,949
skull now yeah yeah and and I'm just

1327
01:08:43,050 --> 01:08:40,270
gonna let everybody know I have never to

1328
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:43,060
my memory I have never seen an actual

1329
01:08:48,360 --> 01:08:45,489
human skull and probably museums and

1330
01:08:52,950 --> 01:08:48,370
stuff but to go up and that night I

1331
01:08:56,910 --> 01:08:52,960
ended up seeing three like bad but

1332
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:56,920
anyway and the photographs that I have

1333
01:09:02,189 --> 01:08:59,440
I'll ask is it okay if I post them later

1334
01:09:03,959 --> 01:09:02,199
on in the show yeah as a matter of fact

1335
01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:03,969
you will be the first person I have

1336
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:07,330
never even posted a picture of the it's

1337
01:09:12,930 --> 01:09:10,480
the skull well let me put it this way

1338
01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:12,940
if you know the story of the Bell Witch

1339
01:09:18,450 --> 01:09:15,190
from Tennessee it is one of the

1340
01:09:22,050 --> 01:09:18,460
freakiest scariest stories that you

1341
01:09:26,220 --> 01:09:22,060
probably ever read about and goes back

1342
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:26,230
to the 1800s and we call this the Bell

1343
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:28,960
which I'll just leave it at that but

1344
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:33,250
getting back to Carville the alien so

1345
01:09:42,809 --> 01:09:39,250
here's the complete story in 1998 there

1346
01:09:46,890 --> 01:09:42,819
was a man in Delaware a woodcarver named

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01:09:49,860 --> 01:09:46,900
Darren Hussey and Darren he was making a

1348
01:09:52,620 --> 01:09:49,870
lot of money in the 1990s taking

1349
01:09:56,070 --> 01:09:52,630
advantage of the cigar craze that was

1350
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:56,080
going on and carving these traditional

1351
01:10:02,100 --> 01:09:59,440
wooden cigar store Indians right those

1352
01:10:05,100 --> 01:10:02,110
were in a big demand and he was cranking

1353
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:05,110
those out well he used to listen to Rush

1354
01:10:09,870 --> 01:10:07,360
Limbaugh just about every day while he

1355
01:10:14,459 --> 01:10:09,880
was working and one day

1356
01:10:16,500 --> 01:10:14,469
Darren was at a gas station and he saw a

1357
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:16,510
copy of I think it was the Weekly World

1358
01:10:22,140 --> 01:10:20,170
News one of those cheesy tabloids and it

1359
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:22,150
had a picture of Rush Limbaugh on the

1360
01:10:27,140 --> 01:10:25,330
front next to an alien and they were

1361
01:10:29,990 --> 01:10:27,150
trying to say that Rush

1362
01:10:31,790 --> 01:10:30,000
somehow an alliance with the aliens and

1363
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:31,800
that they were gonna push him into earth

1364
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:33,810
politics or something like that

1365
01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:35,520
well anyway Darren got a kick out of

1366
01:10:41,450 --> 01:10:39,330
this and so he decided being a fan of

1367
01:10:43,790 --> 01:10:41,460
Rush Limbaugh that he would instead of

1368
01:10:48,620 --> 01:10:43,800
carving a cigar-store Indian he would

1369
01:10:51,380 --> 01:10:48,630
carve a four foot tall wooden alien

1370
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:51,390
statue that weighed about a hundred

1371
01:10:59,689 --> 01:10:54,210
pounds and he did a fine job on this

1372
01:11:02,810 --> 01:10:59,699
alien statue and then he would happen to

1373
01:11:04,899 --> 01:11:02,820
be near New York he was taking an order

1374
01:11:08,209 --> 01:11:04,909
somewhere and he was driving near

1375
01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:08,219
Russia's studio at the time there WABC

1376
01:11:15,919 --> 01:11:13,409
in New York and so he actually stopped

1377
01:11:19,610 --> 01:11:15,929
his truck he took Carville the alien

1378
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:19,620
inside to the reception area and dropped

1379
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:21,690
this off and said this is a gift for

1380
01:11:27,770 --> 01:11:25,170
rush and he said I think he kind of

1381
01:11:29,300 --> 01:11:27,780
looks like James Carville which of

1382
01:11:31,820 --> 01:11:29,310
course is the democratic political

1383
01:11:35,149 --> 01:11:31,830
pundit one of Rush Limbaugh sort of

1384
01:11:37,399 --> 01:11:35,159
arch-nemesis and so that was where the

1385
01:11:40,790 --> 01:11:37,409
name Carville came from well after that

1386
01:11:43,790 --> 01:11:40,800
Darren he drove away and he never heard

1387
01:11:45,620 --> 01:11:43,800
about this again for many many years

1388
01:11:47,450 --> 01:11:45,630
probably like you know ten years or

1389
01:11:49,010 --> 01:11:47,460
something like that went by before he

1390
01:11:53,419 --> 01:11:49,020
ever knew what happened to his creation

1391
01:11:59,149 --> 01:11:53,429
so now we fast forward to the year I

1392
01:12:03,100 --> 01:11:59,159
think it was 20 2010 I believe is when

1393
01:12:05,660 --> 01:12:03,110
it was I was actually in California

1394
01:12:10,010 --> 01:12:05,670
filming an episode of Ghost Adventures

1395
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,020
on the Travel Channel and I received a

1396
01:12:15,620 --> 01:12:12,960
phone call from my associate Mobius who

1397
01:12:19,220 --> 01:12:15,630
had been in contact with art bell and of

1398
01:12:20,689 --> 01:12:19,230
course I had been on arts radio program

1399
01:12:24,530 --> 01:12:20,699
a number of times the interview be many

1400
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:24,540
times and art called me and said I have

1401
01:12:31,130 --> 01:12:28,730
this alien statue that it has got to go

1402
01:12:32,689 --> 01:12:31,140
because it's scaring the bejesus out of

1403
01:12:34,820 --> 01:12:32,699
my wife and our new little daughter

1404
01:12:37,129 --> 01:12:34,830
because they're saying he's coming to

1405
01:12:40,669 --> 01:12:37,139
life at night and running around the

1406
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:40,679
house so what had transpired at I later

1407
01:12:44,750 --> 01:12:41,370
found during

1408
01:12:45,470 --> 01:12:44,760
that period of time is that for about

1409
01:12:48,580 --> 01:12:45,480
three years

1410
01:12:51,950 --> 01:12:48,590
that alien statue sat right there in

1411
01:12:56,300 --> 01:12:51,960
Russia's studio while he was doing his

1412
01:12:59,300 --> 01:12:56,310
show and at one point rush apparently

1413
01:13:01,130 --> 01:12:59,310
took it home and his wife said that it

1414
01:13:03,260 --> 01:13:01,140
turned its head and looked at her and

1415
01:13:09,860 --> 01:13:03,270
that's when she said get rid of that

1416
01:13:13,160 --> 01:13:09,870
damn thing and so art bell on March 10th

1417
01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:13,170
of 2001 was being honored at the

1418
01:13:20,240 --> 01:13:15,150
Marriott Hotel in Marina del Rey

1419
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:20,250
California as part of a talk radio trade

1420
01:13:26,780 --> 01:13:23,850
convention and so art was sitting there

1421
01:13:28,670 --> 01:13:26,790
on stage having a conversation with Matt

1422
01:13:31,550 --> 01:13:28,680
Drudge of course who is famous for the

1423
01:13:36,020 --> 01:13:31,560
Drudge Report and at the end of their

1424
01:13:38,990 --> 01:13:36,030
onstage conversation as a surprise Randi

1425
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:39,000
Michaels who at that time was the CEO of

1426
01:13:43,670 --> 01:13:40,770
Clear Channel Heath

1427
01:13:47,870 --> 01:13:43,680
steps out on stage and says I have a

1428
01:13:52,340 --> 01:13:47,880
gift for you guys and he brings Carville

1429
01:13:54,140 --> 01:13:52,350
the alien for art and art was just

1430
01:13:57,230 --> 01:13:54,150
smitten with this thing because art had

1431
01:13:59,960 --> 01:13:57,240
been to Russia studio and actually saw

1432
01:14:03,590 --> 01:13:59,970
the alien there and had had expressed

1433
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:03,600
you know his admiration and his maybe a

1434
01:14:07,540 --> 01:14:05,010
little jealousy saying I that that

1435
01:14:10,280 --> 01:14:07,550
should be in my studio you know and so

1436
01:14:13,820 --> 01:14:10,290
this was gifted to art and all this was

1437
01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:13,830
videotaped by the way art vuela was a

1438
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:15,570
man who used to just record everything

1439
01:14:19,220 --> 01:14:17,130
of the talk radio business and he was

1440
01:14:21,260 --> 01:14:19,230
very kind and sent me the recording of

1441
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:21,270
this which I put online if you go to

1442
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:23,280
youtube and you just do a search for art

1443
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:25,530
bells alien statue you'll probably see

1444
01:14:30,350 --> 01:14:27,120
the video I posted where art is

1445
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:30,360
presented this statue and art stands up

1446
01:14:36,140 --> 01:14:32,250
and talks about how that when he was

1447
01:14:37,670 --> 01:14:36,150
with rush that they they put like a five

1448
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:37,680
dollar bill in his hand and a cigarette

1449
01:14:41,690 --> 01:14:39,120
or what and they were just messing

1450
01:14:44,150 --> 01:14:41,700
around with this statue so so there's no

1451
01:14:46,970 --> 01:14:44,160
doubt that this long to rush and then

1452
01:14:50,090 --> 01:14:46,980
rush gave it to art and then it sat

1453
01:14:53,690 --> 01:14:50,100
there an art studio for years we have

1454
01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:53,700
pictures of him in his studio with the

1455
01:14:57,050 --> 01:14:55,080
the alien there's Eve

1456
01:14:59,360 --> 01:14:57,060
a screen capture from a webcam of him

1457
01:15:01,670 --> 01:14:59,370
there with the alien statue so he loved

1458
01:15:03,830 --> 01:15:01,680
this thing and it was this was you know

1459
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:03,840
this is a huge honor for him to be given

1460
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:06,050
this thing and so now when he tells me

1461
01:15:13,010 --> 01:15:09,930
this has got to go I could tell that it

1462
01:15:15,590 --> 01:15:13,020
was breaking arts heart he didn't he

1463
01:15:19,730 --> 01:15:15,600
didn't want to let this unique creation

1464
01:15:23,660 --> 01:15:19,740
go that it symbolized the the honor from

1465
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:23,670
his peers but he said this is not a joke

1466
01:15:30,740 --> 01:15:27,570
okay he told me this is not a joke that

1467
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:30,750
this thing is scaring them to death and

1468
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:33,120
he said if you don't get it if somebody

1469
01:15:38,030 --> 01:15:34,530
doesn't get it it's gonna go in the

1470
01:15:40,340 --> 01:15:38,040
garbage basically and so I'll kick

1471
01:15:43,010 --> 01:15:40,350
myself to the day I die Jimmy because

1472
01:15:46,220 --> 01:15:43,020
that was my opportunity to personally go

1473
01:15:49,130 --> 01:15:46,230
to arts property and meet him in person

1474
01:15:50,690 --> 01:15:49,140
and get this thing but there was no way

1475
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:50,700
I could do it because I was locked into

1476
01:15:54,530 --> 01:15:52,890
this obligation to do this TV show and

1477
01:15:56,570 --> 01:15:54,540
as soon as that shoot was over I had to

1478
01:15:58,160 --> 01:15:56,580
fly straight to Michigan to do a

1479
01:15:59,930 --> 01:15:58,170
paranormal conference and there I just I

1480
01:16:00,530 --> 01:15:59,940
just couldn't do it and he said it's got

1481
01:16:03,830 --> 01:16:00,540
to go now

1482
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:03,840
so I contacted a good friend of mine

1483
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:05,970
who's a director in Los Angeles named

1484
01:16:10,760 --> 01:16:08,640
Jim castle and a big fan of art bell and

1485
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:10,770
so Jim and one of his buddies drove to

1486
01:16:16,070 --> 01:16:13,650
arts house our invited them in was a

1487
01:16:18,410 --> 01:16:16,080
wonderful gracious host gave him the

1488
01:16:20,030 --> 01:16:18,420
Grand Tour I mean it was it was just a

1489
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:20,040
wonderful experience he was the nicest

1490
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:23,040
guy and then they took the alien and I

1491
01:16:27,410 --> 01:16:25,170
did pay for him this was not just given

1492
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:27,420
to me I did give art about I don't want

1493
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:28,890
to say how much but I gave him some

1494
01:16:35,510 --> 01:16:32,610
money for him and then and then they

1495
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:35,520
shipped this thing to me in Asheville

1496
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:38,400
North Carolina and so when I got back in

1497
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:40,650
Asheville from doing my shoot in my

1498
01:16:46,430 --> 01:16:42,930
conference like a day later here comes

1499
01:16:47,810 --> 01:16:46,440
this gigantic box in and so I tore it

1500
01:16:49,850 --> 01:16:47,820
open and it was full of all those

1501
01:16:51,260 --> 01:16:49,860
styrofoam peanuts and they go pouring

1502
01:16:54,050 --> 01:16:51,270
all over the place and the hell here is

1503
01:16:58,010 --> 01:16:54,060
this legendary statue and what's so

1504
01:17:00,560 --> 01:16:58,020
great is that I had Jim take pictures of

1505
01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:00,570
art with the statue and art got down on

1506
01:17:06,140 --> 01:17:03,450
his hands and knees and signed the base

1507
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:06,150
and I have a picture of art signing it

1508
01:17:12,300 --> 01:17:08,530
and then also art gave

1509
01:17:13,740 --> 01:17:12,310
a handwritten note that had it's a it's

1510
01:17:16,230 --> 01:17:13,750
an eight-and-a-half by eleven sheet of

1511
01:17:18,210 --> 01:17:16,240
paper that details the provenance of all

1512
01:17:20,130 --> 01:17:18,220
this and so that there's no doubt about

1513
01:17:22,530 --> 01:17:20,140
the story I'm telling you

1514
01:17:25,890 --> 01:17:22,540
and so I I thought man this is just

1515
01:17:28,890 --> 01:17:25,900
incredible I I now am the owner of this

1516
01:17:30,780 --> 01:17:28,900
amazing piece of radio history and so I

1517
01:17:33,390 --> 01:17:30,790
immediately started planning a press

1518
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:33,400
conference or you know something like

1519
01:17:36,090 --> 01:17:34,810
that where I'd invite all the media to

1520
01:17:38,070 --> 01:17:36,100
come and tell them about this new

1521
01:17:42,270 --> 01:17:38,080
edition I have at my museum the

1522
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:42,280
Asheville mystery Museum and so I put

1523
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:45,250
the statue in the corner very well aware

1524
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:49,090
of the stories surrounding him and I

1525
01:17:52,740 --> 01:17:51,130
started building this exhibit around him

1526
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:52,750
with signs with printouts of the

1527
01:17:58,440 --> 01:17:54,490
pictures and had all this special

1528
01:18:00,480 --> 01:17:58,450
lighting brought in and so I planned I

1529
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:00,490
think within like a couple days all the

1530
01:18:06,570 --> 01:18:02,410
media was gonna come and do news stories

1531
01:18:09,780 --> 01:18:06,580
on this and so I was by myself in the

1532
01:18:12,030 --> 01:18:09,790
studio or in the museum I mean at about

1533
01:18:14,820 --> 01:18:12,040
11 o'clock at night just making sure all

1534
01:18:17,190 --> 01:18:14,830
the lighting was perfectly adjusted and

1535
01:18:22,020 --> 01:18:17,200
anning this was gonna be presented as

1536
01:18:23,460 --> 01:18:22,030
dramatically as possible then I left so

1537
01:18:26,850 --> 01:18:23,470
the next morning I had a meeting

1538
01:18:28,620 --> 01:18:26,860
downtown and before the meeting I needed

1539
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:28,630
to pop into the museum to pick up some

1540
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:32,050
papers so I went back into the museum

1541
01:18:37,170 --> 01:18:35,530
and of course I can tell from our

1542
01:18:40,890 --> 01:18:37,180
security pad there that I was the only

1543
01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:40,900
person who went who had been in since I

1544
01:18:46,440 --> 01:18:43,690
had left the night before and I walk in

1545
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:46,450
and I look over at Carville the alien

1546
01:18:55,380 --> 01:18:50,560
and the entire four foot tall 100-pound

1547
01:18:58,710 --> 01:18:55,390
wooden statue has shifted a good 25

1548
01:19:01,320 --> 01:18:58,720
degrees to the right and I was

1549
01:19:03,450 --> 01:19:01,330
immediately angry because I thought

1550
01:19:06,870 --> 01:19:03,460
somebody somehow must have gotten access

1551
01:19:07,490 --> 01:19:06,880
to come in here and and they're messing

1552
01:19:10,860 --> 01:19:07,500
with me

1553
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:10,870
well I went and we did have a security

1554
01:19:14,970 --> 01:19:13,090
camera and it confirmed that nobody went

1555
01:19:17,310 --> 01:19:14,980
in or out unfortunately the camera was

1556
01:19:19,919 --> 01:19:17,320
not pointed at Carville but I could tell

1557
01:19:22,589 --> 01:19:19,929
for sure nobody went in or out

1558
01:19:25,770 --> 01:19:22,599
and nothing else in the entire room was

1559
01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:25,780
disturbed not a single sign or a piece

1560
01:19:31,620 --> 01:19:29,050
of paper only this big heavy chunk of

1561
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:31,630
wood had shifted and that's when I

1562
01:19:38,339 --> 01:19:36,489
realized oh my god this thing moved you

1563
01:19:41,629 --> 01:19:38,349
know it there's no way there's no way to

1564
01:19:45,839 --> 01:19:41,639
explain that Jimmy this thing moved and

1565
01:19:48,569 --> 01:19:45,849
so after that I put a camera on him and

1566
01:19:51,989 --> 01:19:48,579
did my best to try to cat to catch and

1567
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:51,999
moving and and I wasn't able to catch

1568
01:19:57,899 --> 01:19:54,489
him but here's what recently happened

1569
01:20:00,060 --> 01:19:57,909
recently we had to close my museum down

1570
01:20:02,189 --> 01:20:00,070
in Asheville and that's because it was

1571
01:20:04,290 --> 01:20:02,199
in the basement of an old Masonic Temple

1572
01:20:06,149 --> 01:20:04,300
hundred and seven years old and they

1573
01:20:07,410 --> 01:20:06,159
were having all kinds of problems with

1574
01:20:10,620 --> 01:20:07,420
the basement

1575
01:20:13,080 --> 01:20:10,630
it was flooding on a consistent basis

1576
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:13,090
there was a major major renovation that

1577
01:20:19,589 --> 01:20:16,719
needed to be done and I decided to just

1578
01:20:21,330 --> 01:20:19,599
close the museum down and ship the bulk

1579
01:20:23,429 --> 01:20:21,340
of it out here to Las Vegas and I

1580
01:20:26,100 --> 01:20:23,439
figured I'd just find an opportunity to

1581
01:20:29,399 --> 01:20:26,110
display it some way out here so I had

1582
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:29,409
Carville the alien shipped over here and

1583
01:20:36,029 --> 01:20:32,050
I have him sitting in my living room

1584
01:20:38,489 --> 01:20:36,039
right now with a camera on him so I'm

1585
01:20:40,469 --> 01:20:38,499
gonna be checking that camera very soon

1586
01:20:42,449 --> 01:20:40,479
I haven't checked it in about a week to

1587
01:20:47,100 --> 01:20:42,459
see if I can catch him moving here at my

1588
01:20:49,709 --> 01:20:47,110
house but I swear to you when I'm in the

1589
01:20:51,989 --> 01:20:49,719
living room late at night and I'm by

1590
01:20:54,419 --> 01:20:51,999
myself it doesn't feel like I'm by

1591
01:20:56,939 --> 01:20:54,429
myself you know I turn around and

1592
01:21:00,479 --> 01:20:56,949
Carville's got a spirit he's got some

1593
01:21:02,339 --> 01:21:00,489
kind of a soul and I really have started

1594
01:21:05,429 --> 01:21:02,349
believing more and more that inanimate

1595
01:21:08,129 --> 01:21:05,439
objects can become as filled with with

1596
01:21:10,379 --> 01:21:08,139
life in some way and so this is an

1597
01:21:13,649 --> 01:21:10,389
extraordinary thing and what am i most

1598
01:21:15,719 --> 01:21:13,659
prized possessed possessions yeah I I

1599
01:21:18,419 --> 01:21:15,729
can't get James Carville out of my head

1600
01:21:23,819 --> 01:21:18,429
now when it when I look at him he looks

1601
01:21:26,009 --> 01:21:23,829
exactly and I have I have a pointing at

1602
01:21:29,050 --> 01:21:26,019
it now in the cameras I have about a

1603
01:21:36,820 --> 01:21:33,190
alien gray statue here that solid metal

1604
01:21:39,730 --> 01:21:36,830
he weighs I don't know he's he's gotta

1605
01:21:43,930 --> 01:21:39,740
weigh 50 pounds or more is pretty heavy

1606
01:21:47,230 --> 01:21:43,940
this guy's not moving right and I would

1607
01:21:51,550 --> 01:21:47,240
I would definitely freak out if I came

1608
01:21:54,640 --> 01:21:51,560
in and his his angle was changed by 25

1609
01:21:56,620 --> 01:21:54,650
degrees there's no way to move on the

1610
01:22:00,910 --> 01:21:56,630
camera look I'm just letting you know

1611
01:22:06,550 --> 01:22:00,920
there's no there's no way to move this

1612
01:22:09,700 --> 01:22:06,560
there's it's impossible it's as so a

1613
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:09,710
Carville is probably a foot taller and

1614
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:11,600
another 50 pounds heavier than this guy

1615
01:22:17,910 --> 01:22:15,410
why do why do things get attached to

1616
01:22:20,650 --> 01:22:17,920
these types of inanimate objects

1617
01:22:23,410 --> 01:22:20,660
what would is especially interesting

1618
01:22:25,810 --> 01:22:23,420
because well it's sort of like a corpse

1619
01:22:32,650 --> 01:22:25,820
isn't it I mean it was once a living

1620
01:22:35,790 --> 01:22:32,660
thing and so I believe that you know it

1621
01:22:38,410 --> 01:22:35,800
wasn't until I started investigating

1622
01:22:40,900 --> 01:22:38,420
Robert the Haunted doll down in Key West

1623
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:40,910
but I started really opening my mind to

1624
01:22:46,930 --> 01:22:44,090
the idea that that haunted dolls and

1625
01:22:50,260 --> 01:22:46,940
other objects can control EEB accompany

1626
01:22:51,850 --> 01:22:50,270
and then I started to sink especially

1627
01:22:54,430 --> 01:22:51,860
once I interviewed some of these great

1628
01:22:56,500 --> 01:22:54,440
witnesses in the doctors and lawyers and

1629
01:22:58,180 --> 01:22:56,510
people who have a lot to lose and

1630
01:23:00,280 --> 01:22:58,190
nothing to gain by admitting they've

1631
01:23:02,860 --> 01:23:00,290
seen this doll spring up and come to

1632
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:02,870
life it made me think more about how

1633
01:23:08,590 --> 01:23:05,840
that we with all of our great grand

1634
01:23:12,730 --> 01:23:08,600
scientific knowledge still cannot

1635
01:23:15,070 --> 01:23:12,740
explain the mind-body relationship we're

1636
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:15,080
not sure how this thing called

1637
01:23:21,700 --> 01:23:19,010
consciousness animates this physical

1638
01:23:24,730 --> 01:23:21,710
form called the body which is just going

1639
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:24,740
to be laying there stiff when we die and

1640
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:28,610
so if we don't know exactly how the the

1641
01:23:34,270 --> 01:23:31,370
spirit connects with the physical form

1642
01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:34,280
of a human then why should we be so

1643
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:37,510
quick to dismiss the possibility that

1644
01:23:42,430 --> 01:23:41,120
any type of a physical form might also

1645
01:23:46,150 --> 01:23:42,440
be able to some

1646
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:46,160
I'll connect with a spirit especially if

1647
01:23:54,580 --> 01:23:50,050
it is something that has the the fabric

1648
01:23:56,740 --> 01:23:54,590
the the the filtering the lattice of

1649
01:23:58,930 --> 01:23:56,750
life meaning cells and you know

1650
01:24:03,720 --> 01:23:58,940
molecules that are organic and and

1651
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:03,730
carbon-based like like wood and so

1652
01:24:09,189 --> 01:24:06,770
sometimes you might be able to sort of

1653
01:24:12,010 --> 01:24:09,199
give birth to something just by

1654
01:24:14,530 --> 01:24:12,020
projecting a part of your spirit into it

1655
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:14,540
directly and you know there are all

1656
01:24:19,180 --> 01:24:17,410
kinds of different ways that life

1657
01:24:21,850 --> 01:24:19,190
multiplies I mean look at these

1658
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:21,860
single-celled organisms that just one

1659
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:23,690
day they just split into two now you

1660
01:24:26,500 --> 01:24:24,890
have a new one then how you know we

1661
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:26,510
don't know where how that happens but it

1662
01:24:32,170 --> 01:24:29,810
does and so it could be that you know we

1663
01:24:36,850 --> 01:24:32,180
have this idea about how things are

1664
01:24:40,780 --> 01:24:36,860
given birth but it might not have to be

1665
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:40,790
in the physiological way it may be that

1666
01:24:45,189 --> 01:24:43,250
sometimes you can just directly implant

1667
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:45,199
part of your spirit into something and

1668
01:24:51,070 --> 01:24:47,449
this also ties into why that some places

1669
01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:51,080
might become haunted by Tulpas by things

1670
01:24:56,410 --> 01:24:55,100
that never actually happened but you

1671
01:24:58,240 --> 01:24:56,420
know it goes back to that great story

1672
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:58,250
about Walter Gibson who used to write

1673
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:00,800
the shadow novels in the 1920s in

1674
01:25:06,010 --> 01:25:03,290
Greenwich Village he would crank out one

1675
01:25:08,680 --> 01:25:06,020
or two novels a month and he did this

1676
01:25:10,420 --> 01:25:08,690
for years in this little house and after

1677
01:25:12,340 --> 01:25:10,430
that people who moved into the house

1678
01:25:14,740 --> 01:25:12,350
said the house was haunted by his

1679
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:14,750
fictional characters that they would see

1680
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:16,850
the shadow whipping around the corner or

1681
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:19,130
a villain running across the hallway and

1682
01:25:26,170 --> 01:25:21,890
we know that these were his imaginary

1683
01:25:28,630 --> 01:25:26,180
figures but he was so focused on

1684
01:25:30,580 --> 01:25:28,640
projecting the the this vision of these

1685
01:25:32,830 --> 01:25:30,590
things that it seemed to have at least

1686
01:25:35,979 --> 01:25:32,840
burned an imprint in the environment and

1687
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:35,989
so if you can do that to a space like a

1688
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:39,770
house think of how much more you can do

1689
01:25:47,260 --> 01:25:42,650
if you're focusing at all on an object

1690
01:25:50,740 --> 01:25:47,270
and it may be that in some cases it's

1691
01:25:54,850 --> 01:25:50,750
easy for us to say these haunted dolls

1692
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:54,860
and and similar objects are are evil and

1693
01:25:58,479 --> 01:25:56,090
dark because it

1694
01:26:00,729 --> 01:25:58,489
frightens us when we see them move and

1695
01:26:03,250 --> 01:26:00,739
do things they're not supposed to do but

1696
01:26:07,450 --> 01:26:03,260
it may be that they're not any more evil

1697
01:26:09,459 --> 01:26:07,460
than you or I are they can be they can

1698
01:26:11,379 --> 01:26:09,469
be vindictive if they feel like they're

1699
01:26:14,770 --> 01:26:11,389
being mistreated like Robert the doll

1700
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:14,780
probably feels in other cases they may

1701
01:26:19,689 --> 01:26:17,330
just sort of be in gray personalities it

1702
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:19,699
depends on what mood the thing is in but

1703
01:26:23,109 --> 01:26:21,679
I have definitely opened my mind to the

1704
01:26:27,879 --> 01:26:23,119
fact that if you have something in your

1705
01:26:30,700 --> 01:26:27,889
house that has a history and seems to

1706
01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:30,710
have a soul that there may actually be a

1707
01:26:38,200 --> 01:26:34,130
soul in there and they always say if you

1708
01:26:40,060 --> 01:26:38,210
go to a yard sale or you go to you know

1709
01:26:43,180 --> 01:26:40,070
flea market or some kind of place like

1710
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:43,190
that and you see an object that's way

1711
01:26:48,729 --> 01:26:46,010
way under priced where it just seems to

1712
01:26:51,189 --> 01:26:48,739
be too good to be true right or they're

1713
01:26:53,140 --> 01:26:51,199
just trying to give it away well you

1714
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:53,150
probably got yourself a possessed

1715
01:26:58,990 --> 01:26:56,090
possession there I remember it was a few

1716
01:27:03,000 --> 01:26:59,000
months ago you probably caught this it

1717
01:27:05,410 --> 01:27:03,010
made the mainstream media about

1718
01:27:08,859 --> 01:27:05,420
secondhand furniture store I think it

1719
01:27:12,370 --> 01:27:08,869
was in Texas was selling a haunted and

1720
01:27:15,399 --> 01:27:12,380
possessed bedroom set did you see that I

1721
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:15,409
didn't see that one couple had to get

1722
01:27:19,689 --> 01:27:18,080
what yeah couple had to give it up man

1723
01:27:22,570 --> 01:27:19,699
and they were selling it cheap and I

1724
01:27:24,850 --> 01:27:22,580
don't think anybody bought it that's the

1725
01:27:29,740 --> 01:27:24,860
the other funny part yeah and George Van

1726
01:27:35,070 --> 01:27:29,750
Tassel once said that he was given a

1727
01:27:38,290 --> 01:27:35,080
formula to read time and to see time

1728
01:27:41,109 --> 01:27:38,300
seven years in the past that everything

1729
01:27:43,419 --> 01:27:41,119
is recorded electromagnetically that the

1730
01:27:46,450 --> 01:27:43,429
universe is electric he said this back

1731
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:46,460
in the 1950s and 60s certainly we

1732
01:27:51,250 --> 01:27:48,800
understand more about that today do you

1733
01:27:53,950 --> 01:27:51,260
feel that that is also a possibility

1734
01:27:56,979 --> 01:27:53,960
that everything is just recorded and we

1735
01:28:00,910 --> 01:27:56,989
are catching glimpses of it yeah I

1736
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:00,920
absolutely do and it may also transcend

1737
01:28:06,129 --> 01:28:03,440
even that into what many mystics have

1738
01:28:09,520 --> 01:28:06,139
called the Akashic record that there is

1739
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:09,530
some vast collective library of

1740
01:28:14,709 --> 01:28:11,449
knowledge that's sort of sitting there

1741
01:28:17,589 --> 01:28:14,719
in a stable position

1742
01:28:19,060 --> 01:28:17,599
I will say above or atop all of us even

1743
01:28:21,819 --> 01:28:19,070
though that's just a way of visualizing

1744
01:28:24,490 --> 01:28:21,829
it and that your brain is just a little

1745
01:28:26,830 --> 01:28:24,500
antenna that connects you to one part or

1746
01:28:28,779 --> 01:28:26,840
another of the Akashic record but what's

1747
01:28:30,279 --> 01:28:28,789
funny is that even though that's a very

1748
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:30,289
metaphysical way of looking at things

1749
01:28:37,299 --> 01:28:33,440
even the physicists astrophysicists and

1750
01:28:39,549 --> 01:28:37,309
cosmologists the ones who study time and

1751
01:28:42,430 --> 01:28:39,559
space they actually come out and they

1752
01:28:44,890 --> 01:28:42,440
will tell you that as far as they can

1753
01:28:47,919 --> 01:28:44,900
tell from all the maths if they can work

1754
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:47,929
out that everything past present and

1755
01:28:54,729 --> 01:28:50,480
future are actually occurring at once

1756
01:28:59,169 --> 01:28:54,739
and that we are just observing a bit by

1757
01:29:02,379 --> 01:28:59,179
bit from a limited point of view and so

1758
01:29:05,680 --> 01:29:02,389
that is that's a little bit depressing

1759
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:05,690
because it implies that well there is

1760
01:29:09,430 --> 01:29:07,489
nothing but determinism that no matter

1761
01:29:13,540 --> 01:29:09,440
what you write everything is determined

1762
01:29:15,189 --> 01:29:13,550
right no free will no free will and

1763
01:29:17,319 --> 01:29:15,199
that's the opposite side a lot of people

1764
01:29:20,350 --> 01:29:17,329
say well why you know is it free will or

1765
01:29:24,209 --> 01:29:20,360
is it determinism but maybe maybe Jimmy

1766
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:24,219
there is a third option maybe there are

1767
01:29:31,270 --> 01:29:28,010
many many timelines that are

1768
01:29:35,589 --> 01:29:31,280
predetermined but you have the freewill

1769
01:29:37,930 --> 01:29:35,599
to pop between those timelines and make

1770
01:29:40,209 --> 01:29:37,940
decisions about what timeline you want

1771
01:29:41,919 --> 01:29:40,219
to experience I mean for example maybe

1772
01:29:43,859 --> 01:29:41,929
there is another timeline right now

1773
01:29:48,189 --> 01:29:43,869
where we're all not going through this

1774
01:29:53,620 --> 01:29:48,199
pandemic situation but maybe for some

1775
01:29:55,419 --> 01:29:53,630
reason we chose to experience this again

1776
01:29:59,350 --> 01:29:55,429
like you choose to see a certain type of

1777
01:30:01,569 --> 01:29:59,360
movie and and honestly you know this is

1778
01:30:03,790 --> 01:30:01,579
not all bad I mean there is a silver

1779
01:30:06,010 --> 01:30:03,800
lining to this situation I mean a lot of

1780
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:06,020
people are sort of rediscovering the

1781
01:30:11,260 --> 01:30:07,610
things that they enjoy by being locked

1782
01:30:13,029 --> 01:30:11,270
up in there in their house I really feel

1783
01:30:15,910 --> 01:30:13,039
sorry for the people who are locked up

1784
01:30:17,649 --> 01:30:15,920
in their haunted house and especially if

1785
01:30:19,500 --> 01:30:17,659
they're listening to fade to black with

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01:30:21,709 --> 01:30:19,510
Jimmy Church

1787
01:30:23,279 --> 01:30:21,719
and that's exactly the point that's

1788
01:30:25,890 --> 01:30:23,289
exactly the point

1789
01:30:27,810 --> 01:30:25,900
and we're gonna continue this right

1790
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:27,820
after this break our guest tonight

1791
01:30:33,299 --> 01:30:30,489
Joshua P Warren I'm arrows Jimmy Church

1792
01:30:34,979 --> 01:30:33,309
this is fade to black tonight it's all

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01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:34,989
ghosts in the paranormal

1794
01:30:39,210 --> 01:30:37,570
Joshua P Warren stay with us we'll be

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01:30:49,290 --> 01:30:39,220
right back after this short break

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hi I'm Lisa Vance you're listening to me

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church this is revolution the revolution

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will not be televised the revolution is

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[Music]

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welcome back beta-blocker meals to

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mature check aside Joshua P Warren

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tonight it's all ghosts in the

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paranormal that's right while you are

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locked down in your home just like me I

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gotta tell you Joshua I have been having

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these crazy dreams we're playing Diablo

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3 which is hell on earth man it's a

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crazy game it's a lot of fun to play but

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yeah like all things like them

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especially video games you you have the

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crazy dreams later so I've already been

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having those and then after tonight you

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know and it makes me go back and I

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always think about the first time I've

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only seen one ghost so for me the first

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time I saw a ghost was the only time I

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have seen a ghost

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but all of us got our start somewhere

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what was the first time you saw a ghost

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that was a life altering experience for

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me obviously

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and what's really I think most unusual

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about it is you know my family on both

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sides we're in the mountains of Western

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North Carolina for hundreds of years so

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I grew up hearing all kinds of ghost

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stories and Native American tales and

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folklore but I never really experienced

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much of anything myself even though I

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01:36:49,239 --> 01:36:47,599
started writing about all this when I

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was a teenager and publishing articles

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in the local newspaper and even

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publishing books I never really saw

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anything ghostly with my own two eyes

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and I reached a point after years of

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this where I thought well you know what

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maybe some people can see ghosts and

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some people can't

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and I'm just one of those people who

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can't see them I don't know I don't have

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the right combination of rods and cones

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in my eyes or my synapses are not firing

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off in a certain way I you know I just

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didn't know how to explain it because I

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01:37:21,399 --> 01:37:18,799
believed people who said they had seen

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ghosts but then all of that changed

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finally when I was in my early twenties

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and at that time I was already quite

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01:37:34,359 --> 01:37:31,249
well known I had written the very first

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book of ghost stories from the city of

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Asheville North Carolina which is now

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one of the most popular ghost tourism

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destinations in the world

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and the book was called haunted

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Asheville so everybody knew I was the

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go-to guy if you wanted to talk about

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01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:51,079
ghosts so I got a call one day from a

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young woman who was a college student in

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Asheville who had just moved into this

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little old house by herself and when she

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moved into the house I mean during the

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01:38:14,649 --> 01:38:09,979
process of you know I'm unpacking her

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stuff she called 911 point she had

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turned and saw some kind of a figure in

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her house and thought somebody had

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broken in and the cops came and there

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was no evidence of anybody being there

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and so that was the first red flag that

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there was something unusual about this

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01:38:32,799 --> 01:38:30,139
property well as time went on she

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started seeing these shadowy figures

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more and more around the house but more

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often than not they would appear or it

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would appear as a cloudy misty form and

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this got to be so common that her

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friends would come over to the house and

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bring their cameras and they would just

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take photographs like you wouldn't

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believe of these you know wispy things

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just flying all around the house and she

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even was dating a guy who I turns out I

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knew this guy I went to school with him

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good guy he went over to her house to

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take her out on a date he was waiting

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for her to get ready and all of a sudden

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he said that he felt like he stuck his

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finger and a light socket something just

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basically electrocuted him and he ran

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out of the house would not go into the

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house and then she took a picture of him

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right after that and in the picture you

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see this big misty thing swooping right

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through his solar plexus I mean it's

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amazing the pictures they were getting

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so this started becoming really scary

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for her however when she began waking up

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in the middle of the night and this

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thing was at her bedroom

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and then one night she woke up and it

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was in the bed with her and that is when

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she said enough is enough I am out of

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here

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and she ran to her car still on her

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pajamas and she actually drove off the

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01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:03,380
property she there was a shopping mall

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nearby and she drove to the shopping

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mall and that's where she tried to

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continue her night's sleep and when she

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01:40:12,580 --> 01:40:10,730
called me she says I can't stay in this

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house anymore unless something can be

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done to stop this to get rid of this so

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I told her well you know I'm not an

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01:40:22,300 --> 01:40:20,390
exorcist I'm not a Ghostbuster I can't

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guarantee you that I can stop the

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01:40:27,910 --> 01:40:25,489
activity but I was so struck by her

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sincerity I said you know I'd love to

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come and take a look at your house and

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let's just see how much we can learn

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about this

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so the stupid things you do when you're

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20 - telling you that again the pictures

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I'm gonna tell you in a minute how you

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01:40:54,310 --> 01:40:50,719
can see some of these pictures but

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anyway the pictures were really striking

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and she had a lot of her friends there

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01:40:59,709 --> 01:40:57,620
and they were all sitting around telling

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01:41:01,450 --> 01:40:59,719
me about their experiences and you know

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01:41:05,110 --> 01:41:01,460
bearing in a sort of eyewitness

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01:41:06,820 --> 01:41:05,120
testimony and so I I mean I knew that

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this was something really significant

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and so the first night I was there

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however I did pick up a few

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01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:14,390
electromagnetic anomalies but I didn't

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01:41:22,330 --> 01:41:18,530
pick up anything that was like so major

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01:41:24,190 --> 01:41:22,340
that I that it sort of convinced me

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01:41:26,920 --> 01:41:24,200
personally that I was gonna see a ghost

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01:41:29,709 --> 01:41:26,930
but again I know how rare these things

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01:41:33,310 --> 01:41:29,719
are everybody seems so sincere I decided

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01:41:35,979 --> 01:41:33,320
to go back on a second occasion so a few

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01:41:39,370 --> 01:41:35,989
days later I went back and I was going

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01:41:42,310 --> 01:41:39,380
around the entire house with a couple of

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01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:42,320
different meters and the house had a

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01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:46,730
substantial attic and I just so happened

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01:41:51,610 --> 01:41:48,650
to be in the Attic with another

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01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:51,620
researcher his name was Rob and I

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01:41:56,810 --> 01:41:53,170
started getting all these weird

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01:41:58,609 --> 01:41:56,820
pulsations that were spanning the entire

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01:42:00,530 --> 01:41:58,619
the electromagnetic field on this

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01:42:02,419 --> 01:42:00,540
particular meter I had I was trying to

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01:42:06,410 --> 01:42:02,429
figure out what was happening and then

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01:42:08,450 --> 01:42:06,420
Rob said Josh look and I turned and he

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01:42:13,310 --> 01:42:08,460
and I were about three feet apart and

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01:42:17,359 --> 01:42:13,320
right there between us was this big blue

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01:42:19,790 --> 01:42:17,369
gray mist it was just a cloud of mist

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01:42:24,500 --> 01:42:19,800
just hanging right there between us in

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01:42:27,379 --> 01:42:24,510
the air and I'd like to say it had a

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01:42:29,689 --> 01:42:27,389
slight globe to it but that may have

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01:42:33,290 --> 01:42:29,699
just been in reflecting the Attic light

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I'm not sure but it was a striking

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01:42:39,430 --> 01:42:36,090
looking thing because I was so close to

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01:42:44,120 --> 01:42:39,440
it that I could see the surface of it

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01:42:47,240 --> 01:42:44,130
wasn't curling and curving like smoked

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01:42:50,959 --> 01:42:47,250
wood instead the surface of it reminded

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01:42:53,810 --> 01:42:50,969
me of the facets on a gemstone it was

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01:42:56,470 --> 01:42:53,820
like more of a geometric looking thing

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01:42:58,850 --> 01:42:56,480
and and and I could see these different

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01:43:02,689 --> 01:42:58,860
facets for the shifting around each

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other and so I reached out and touched

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01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:03,179
it

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01:43:10,010 --> 01:43:07,290
what yeah I stuck my hand right in the

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01:43:12,770 --> 01:43:10,020
middle of it and it was icy cold oh this

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01:43:14,689 --> 01:43:12,780
was in the middle of summer it was icy

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01:43:16,910 --> 01:43:14,699
cold in the middle and it made the hair

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on my knuckles and everything stand up

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01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:18,719
just like I put my hand up to an old

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01:43:24,020 --> 01:43:22,170
television screen and then Rob who is

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01:43:26,540 --> 01:43:24,030
completely opposite for me he did the

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01:43:28,760 --> 01:43:26,550
same thing so he reached out and touched

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01:43:30,379 --> 01:43:28,770
it so now both of us

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01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:30,389
from two different points of view are

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01:43:35,629 --> 01:43:32,730
seeing this thing we're both touching it

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01:43:41,209 --> 01:43:35,639
where we have the same sensation it's

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01:43:42,770 --> 01:43:41,219
cold it's electrostatic and I felt and

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01:43:45,770 --> 01:43:42,780
I've said this before and I think it's

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01:43:48,260 --> 01:43:45,780
the best description I kind of felt like

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01:43:51,919 --> 01:43:48,270
a caveman looking at fire for the first

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01:43:53,450 --> 01:43:51,929
time because my brain is flipping

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01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:53,460
through the filing cabinet of

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01:43:58,669 --> 01:43:55,920
conventional explanations for what this

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01:44:01,640 --> 01:43:58,679
might be I'm trying to convince myself

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01:44:04,819 --> 01:44:01,650
that there has to be some X some normal

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01:44:07,640 --> 01:44:04,829
explanation and and nothing is popping

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01:44:10,610 --> 01:44:07,650
up and then as we watched it over the

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01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:10,620
course of I'm sure 32

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01:44:16,700 --> 01:44:13,530
the seconds it started to get dimmer and

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01:44:19,070 --> 01:44:16,710
dimmer and weaker and dimmer and then I

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01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:19,080
realized oh crap I have a camera around

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01:44:23,300 --> 01:44:21,360
my neck this whole time I'd been so

2075
01:44:25,580 --> 01:44:23,310
mesmerised I've completely forgotten

2076
01:44:27,620 --> 01:44:25,590
that I had a camera around my neck it

2077
01:44:31,640 --> 01:44:27,630
was one of the first digital cameras and

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01:44:35,870 --> 01:44:31,650
so I took a photograph of this thing

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01:44:39,680 --> 01:44:35,880
right before it disappeared and I wish

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01:44:42,590 --> 01:44:39,690
I'd gotten in its full-blown state but

2081
01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:42,600
just to have captured it at all is a

2082
01:44:48,050 --> 01:44:44,610
major achievement you know I can say I

2083
01:44:50,990 --> 01:44:48,060
got a picture of the first ghost that I

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01:44:53,810 --> 01:44:51,000
ever saw and I touched it and another

2085
01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:53,820
guy was there and he touched it and if

2086
01:44:59,690 --> 01:44:56,490
you want to see that picture if you go

2087
01:45:01,460 --> 01:44:59,700
to Joshua P Warren comm there is there's

2088
01:45:03,290 --> 01:45:01,470
a lot of cool stuff on my site I have to

2089
01:45:05,090 --> 01:45:03,300
say you can spend hours just watching

2090
01:45:06,890 --> 01:45:05,100
videos and getting into all kinds of

2091
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:06,900
weird areas but there's a section there

2092
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:09,570
called the gallery of the strange and if

2093
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:10,890
you click on that it gives you

2094
01:45:14,900 --> 01:45:12,570
subheadings and one of them is something

2095
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:14,910
like world's wildest ghost photos and if

2096
01:45:19,700 --> 01:45:16,410
you just click through there it's all

2097
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:19,710
free you'll come across this picture I

2098
01:45:26,720 --> 01:45:23,610
took of of this misty form so then this

2099
01:45:29,330 --> 01:45:26,730
thing just dimmed and then it was gone

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01:45:33,740 --> 01:45:29,340
and all the readings came back you know

2101
01:45:36,490 --> 01:45:33,750
the baseline normal so I came walking

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01:45:39,020 --> 01:45:36,500
down the creaky steps from the attic and

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01:45:43,610 --> 01:45:39,030
I looked at the young woman who lived

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01:45:46,070 --> 01:45:43,620
there and I said okay we saw it and it

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01:45:48,770 --> 01:45:46,080
was like the weight of the world had

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01:45:52,160 --> 01:45:48,780
been lifted from her shoulders to have

2107
01:45:54,590 --> 01:45:52,170
that validation you know I'm not crazy

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01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:54,600
these can plus I said look I got a

2109
01:45:59,390 --> 01:45:56,370
picture of the thing too you know I saw

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01:46:02,000 --> 01:45:59,400
other thing and I got and so that's when

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01:46:04,610 --> 01:46:02,010
I was like all right this is real this

2112
01:46:07,340 --> 01:46:04,620
stuff is real and so I started talking

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01:46:09,620 --> 01:46:07,350
to her and I started giving her some

2114
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:09,630
possible tips about how to stop the

2115
01:46:13,340 --> 01:46:11,520
activity a lot of it was pretty basic

2116
01:46:16,460 --> 01:46:13,350
stuff a lot of times you can stop this

2117
01:46:18,950 --> 01:46:16,470
activity by running a humidifier or by

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01:46:22,270 --> 01:46:18,960
changing the placement of electrical

2119
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:22,280
appliances you're trying to change the

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01:46:26,720 --> 01:46:24,330
electromagnetic environment with

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01:46:29,390 --> 01:46:26,730
which these things can can build or the

2122
01:46:31,100 --> 01:46:29,400
electrostatic potential which that

2123
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:31,110
that's a very technical realm that you

2124
01:46:34,100 --> 01:46:32,400
know there's no sense in getting into

2125
01:46:36,730 --> 01:46:34,110
that right now I wrote about all this in

2126
01:46:38,870 --> 01:46:36,740
my book how to hunt ghosts but anyway

2127
01:46:42,490 --> 01:46:38,880
she went through and tried everything

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01:46:46,940 --> 01:46:42,500
and none of this stuff worked and then

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01:46:50,210 --> 01:46:46,950
one day out of the blue I got contacted

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01:46:55,030 --> 01:46:50,220
by a minister who was aware of my work

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01:46:57,230 --> 01:46:55,040
and he said by the way if you ever need

2132
01:46:59,420 --> 01:46:57,240
somebody to help you come clear a

2133
01:47:01,280 --> 01:46:59,430
location I've done this before

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01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:01,290
ball-ball and I said well as a matter of

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01:47:09,770 --> 01:47:06,570
fact so he met us over there he went

2136
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:09,780
through some ceremonies he did use holy

2137
01:47:16,100 --> 01:47:13,290
water he had created see he was he was

2138
01:47:18,800 --> 01:47:16,110
in a very unusual Minister because he

2139
01:47:21,650 --> 01:47:18,810
also understood Oregon and radionics and

2140
01:47:23,930 --> 01:47:21,660
a lot of exotic technologies and he had

2141
01:47:26,210 --> 01:47:23,940
made them some special Oregon pendants

2142
01:47:29,780 --> 01:47:26,220
and stuff to wear so anyway he went

2143
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:29,790
through this whole process and the

2144
01:47:36,860 --> 01:47:34,080
activity stopped for like six months but

2145
01:47:44,780 --> 01:47:36,870
then it came back so holy water holy

2146
01:47:47,150 --> 01:47:44,790
water is only temporary so then it came

2147
01:47:48,890 --> 01:47:47,160
back so I looked to this day I haven't

2148
01:47:51,050 --> 01:47:48,900
been in touch with her for for quite a

2149
01:47:54,110 --> 01:47:51,060
while so I don't know if she still lives

2150
01:47:57,740 --> 01:47:54,120
in that house and has decided to accept

2151
01:48:00,110 --> 01:47:57,750
this or what but when that happened to

2152
01:48:02,060 --> 01:48:00,120
me okay that was the first thing that

2153
01:48:03,890 --> 01:48:02,070
was a life changer for me because that's

2154
01:48:05,410 --> 01:48:03,900
when I realized whatever ghosts are

2155
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:05,420
ghosts are real

2156
01:48:13,460 --> 01:48:08,570
but then I it took another experience

2157
01:48:16,430 --> 01:48:13,470
for me to really understand that this is

2158
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:16,440
not just a recording from the past this

2159
01:48:22,730 --> 01:48:18,810
is not just the misleading atmospheric

2160
01:48:26,330 --> 01:48:22,740
phenomenon this is an interactive aware

2161
01:48:28,430 --> 01:48:26,340
conscious spirit in some cases and that

2162
01:48:30,500 --> 01:48:28,440
is because of what happened to me that

2163
01:48:32,360 --> 01:48:30,510
myrtles plantation which is a whole

2164
01:48:33,230 --> 01:48:32,370
other story but that's the first time I

2165
01:48:36,410 --> 01:48:33,240
saw a ghost

2166
01:48:39,200 --> 01:48:36,420
well I okay I've got

2167
01:48:42,830 --> 01:48:39,210
I'm right when you said myrtles

2168
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:42,840
plantation I'm looking at Chloe I just

2169
01:48:49,610 --> 01:48:45,440
happen to be just scrolling through your

2170
01:48:52,670 --> 01:48:49,620
photographs on the website and here's

2171
01:48:54,580 --> 01:48:52,680
Chloe of myrtles plantation right here

2172
01:48:59,330 --> 01:48:54,590
if you want to look at the images of

2173
01:49:04,130 --> 01:48:59,340
this it's very simple just go to Joshua

2174
01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:04,140
P Warren dot-com and then click on what

2175
01:49:08,180 --> 01:49:06,090
do you call it the amazing world of

2176
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:08,190
ghosts what do you call the the the best

2177
01:49:13,220 --> 01:49:10,890
goes to pictures yeah the heading there

2178
01:49:14,750 --> 01:49:13,230
is gallery of the strange and then once

2179
01:49:17,030 --> 01:49:14,760
you get in there there's a section

2180
01:49:20,150 --> 01:49:17,040
called world's wildest ghost photos

2181
01:49:26,540 --> 01:49:20,160
world's wildest ghost photos and then I

2182
01:49:30,710 --> 01:49:26,550
think it's a page 3 page 4 what happened

2183
01:49:33,050 --> 01:49:30,720
at myrtles plantation okay so this was

2184
01:49:37,990 --> 01:49:33,060
this really hit me this was actually

2185
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:38,000
scarier for me a lot scarier because

2186
01:49:43,100 --> 01:49:40,560
when I saw the ghost I was just telling

2187
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:43,110
you about at that point in time you know

2188
01:49:48,770 --> 01:49:45,570
I wasn't as I explained I wasn't even

2189
01:49:50,150 --> 01:49:48,780
sure that I believed in ghosts the same

2190
01:49:51,860 --> 01:49:50,160
way that everybody else did you know

2191
01:49:54,530 --> 01:49:51,870
what I'm saying like I'd never really

2192
01:49:58,670 --> 01:49:54,540
seen one myself and so that that gives

2193
01:50:00,410 --> 01:49:58,680
you a sense of insulation like well this

2194
01:50:02,810 --> 01:50:00,420
is something other people experience but

2195
01:50:05,030 --> 01:50:02,820
not me right and that but then when I

2196
01:50:08,360 --> 01:50:05,040
saw it and I realized well I can see a

2197
01:50:10,190 --> 01:50:08,370
ghost at least when I saw a ghost it was

2198
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:10,200
in a very kind of clinical setting where

2199
01:50:13,790 --> 01:50:12,090
I had all you know another dude there

2200
01:50:15,860 --> 01:50:13,800
all these meters and the lights were on

2201
01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:15,870
all that so it wasn't really scary for

2202
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:18,330
me what happened to me at myrtles

2203
01:50:26,420 --> 01:50:22,530
plantation was scary this is possibly

2204
01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:26,430
the most frightened I have ever felt let

2205
01:50:33,110 --> 01:50:29,130
me jump in for everybody go to world's

2206
01:50:35,900 --> 01:50:33,120
wildest ghost photos at Joshua P Warren

2207
01:50:39,290 --> 01:50:35,910
and Joshua's got a video I've seen this

2208
01:50:43,490 --> 01:50:39,300
video a few times where he's alone at

2209
01:50:45,860 --> 01:50:43,500
myrtles plantation and you can check out

2210
01:50:49,160 --> 01:50:45,870
the add the actual video over on

2211
01:50:53,090 --> 01:50:49,170
Joshua's website ok Joshua continue

2212
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:53,100
so myrtles plantation is in st.

2213
01:50:58,820 --> 01:50:55,440
Francisville Louisiana which is outside

2214
01:51:01,700 --> 01:50:58,830
of Baton Rouge it's in a very secluded

2215
01:51:04,550 --> 01:51:01,710
swampy part of the state automatically

2216
01:51:08,510 --> 01:51:04,560
haunted yeah well you know it's been

2217
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:08,520
there since the 1700s and a lot of bad

2218
01:51:12,290 --> 01:51:10,530
stuff happened there over the years I

2219
01:51:15,830 --> 01:51:12,300
mean they they had slaves that were

2220
01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:15,840
terribly mistreated and murdered as a

2221
01:51:21,320 --> 01:51:17,610
matter of fact one of the plantation

2222
01:51:22,610 --> 01:51:21,330
owners was killed himself he was he got

2223
01:51:24,740 --> 01:51:22,620
into some type of an argument with

2224
01:51:26,630 --> 01:51:24,750
another plantation owner and the other

2225
01:51:29,450 --> 01:51:26,640
guy shot him in the chest with a shotgun

2226
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:29,460
and he died crawling up the stairs of

2227
01:51:37,880 --> 01:51:33,810
the house in fact in the house they

2228
01:51:41,270 --> 01:51:37,890
installed all of the the keyholes upside

2229
01:51:43,790 --> 01:51:41,280
down which is very peculiar it turns out

2230
01:51:46,189 --> 01:51:43,800
that people at that time often believed

2231
01:51:48,500 --> 01:51:46,199
that if they could confuse a ghost

2232
01:51:51,740 --> 01:51:48,510
somehow that it wouldn't be able to

2233
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:51,750
enter a room and so by installing the

2234
01:51:56,419 --> 01:51:54,239
keyholes upside-down that was an effort

2235
01:51:58,580 --> 01:51:56,429
to prevent ghosts from from moving

2236
01:52:00,410 --> 01:51:58,590
through a room so so that the place has

2237
01:52:04,700 --> 01:52:00,420
layers and layers of activity but yes

2238
01:52:09,950 --> 01:52:04,710
the most famous ghost is that of a

2239
01:52:13,370 --> 01:52:09,960
servant named Chloe who basically the

2240
01:52:15,650 --> 01:52:13,380
story is that she was for a period of

2241
01:52:17,780 --> 01:52:15,660
time beloved by the owner of the

2242
01:52:20,900 --> 01:52:17,790
plantation and he allowed her to work

2243
01:52:22,820 --> 01:52:20,910
inside the house and that was the best

2244
01:52:25,459 --> 01:52:22,830
place you could be because you know what

2245
01:52:29,570 --> 01:52:25,469
it was like being out in the field and

2246
01:52:33,020 --> 01:52:29,580
and so but he started taking a liking to

2247
01:52:35,150 --> 01:52:33,030
another a slave and she was afraid she

2248
01:52:36,890 --> 01:52:35,160
was going to be replaced this slave

2249
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:36,900
named Chloe she was afraid she would be

2250
01:52:41,900 --> 01:52:39,570
replaced and so they say she concocted a

2251
01:52:45,410 --> 01:52:41,910
plan where she would put a little bit of

2252
01:52:47,450 --> 01:52:45,420
poison basically in a cake that he and

2253
01:52:49,340 --> 01:52:47,460
his family would eat and then that would

2254
01:52:52,220 --> 01:52:49,350
give her an opportunity to nurse them

2255
01:52:56,570 --> 01:52:52,230
back to health and she felt like that

2256
01:52:58,459 --> 01:52:56,580
might insure her value but the story

2257
01:53:02,330 --> 01:52:58,469
goes that she put a little too much

2258
01:53:03,109 --> 01:53:02,340
poison in and that one or two of the

2259
01:53:05,119 --> 01:53:03,119
kids died

2260
01:53:07,339 --> 01:53:05,129
and somehow he found out about this and

2261
01:53:10,429 --> 01:53:07,349
severely tortured her and killed her a

2262
01:53:13,100 --> 01:53:10,439
hangar there on the property so she has

2263
01:53:16,100 --> 01:53:13,110
seen more often than any other spirit

2264
01:53:19,250 --> 01:53:16,110
but there are lots of ghosts there so I

2265
01:53:23,029 --> 01:53:19,260
was contacted by a television program

2266
01:53:24,859 --> 01:53:23,039
and they were going to have access to

2267
01:53:28,489 --> 01:53:24,869
the place for a few days they pretty

2268
01:53:30,469 --> 01:53:28,499
much rented the whole place out and they

2269
01:53:35,060 --> 01:53:30,479
wanted me to go in and do a paranormal

2270
01:53:40,159 --> 01:53:35,070
investigation so I had never been there

2271
01:53:44,989 --> 01:53:40,169
before and I flew by myself to Baton

2272
01:53:47,989 --> 01:53:44,999
Rouge rented a car when I arrived it was

2273
01:53:49,699 --> 01:53:47,999
storming like you wouldn't believe

2274
01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:49,709
I can't remember what year this was

2275
01:53:53,989 --> 01:53:51,840
exactly it's probably listed there I've

2276
01:53:58,580 --> 01:53:53,999
had so many experiences the years kind

2277
01:54:02,299 --> 01:53:58,590
of blurred together but this was this

2278
01:54:04,040 --> 01:54:02,309
was a long time ago and so when I got

2279
01:54:05,449 --> 01:54:04,050
there I mean I thought they were gonna

2280
01:54:06,799 --> 01:54:05,459
be there was gonna be a tornado or

2281
01:54:08,959 --> 01:54:06,809
something I mean it was really really

2282
01:54:11,359 --> 01:54:08,969
bad and Here I am driving through the

2283
01:54:15,319 --> 01:54:11,369
swampy area and I almost died on the way

2284
01:54:17,859 --> 01:54:15,329
there because AI was the first car to

2285
01:54:20,899 --> 01:54:17,869
reach a bridge that had just collapsed

2286
01:54:22,279 --> 01:54:20,909
so if I had not put my brakes on and I

2287
01:54:24,529 --> 01:54:22,289
was hydroplaning you know if I hadn't

2288
01:54:26,209 --> 01:54:24,539
put my brakes on a little bit you know

2289
01:54:28,669 --> 01:54:26,219
what when I did then I would have slid

2290
01:54:31,699 --> 01:54:28,679
off and ended up in this in this Creek

2291
01:54:34,489 --> 01:54:31,709
or whatever so anyway by the time I got

2292
01:54:36,879 --> 01:54:34,499
there it's raining it's like I say it's

2293
01:54:39,919 --> 01:54:36,889
raining cats and dogs it's muddy

2294
01:54:42,319 --> 01:54:39,929
lightnings flashing there's a pack of 15

2295
01:54:44,299 --> 01:54:42,329
black cats roaming the property like

2296
01:54:47,179 --> 01:54:44,309
something out of a Stephen King novel I

2297
01:54:49,219 --> 01:54:47,189
mean when I got there there was a

2298
01:54:51,439 --> 01:54:49,229
maintenance person there and he gave me

2299
01:54:52,129 --> 01:54:51,449
the keys and said oh thank goodness

2300
01:54:56,179 --> 01:54:52,139
you're here

2301
01:54:57,679 --> 01:54:56,189
have a good night and left and left me I

2302
01:55:01,189 --> 01:54:57,689
was the only person on the whole

2303
01:55:02,810 --> 01:55:01,199
property and which was surprising to me

2304
01:55:06,679 --> 01:55:02,820
heck I could have stolen everything out

2305
01:55:12,679 --> 01:55:06,689
of there but he was like here you go

2306
01:55:15,049 --> 01:55:12,689
enjoy you know hit the road so I got to

2307
01:55:16,709 --> 01:55:15,059
stay in what they call the General David

2308
01:55:19,180 --> 01:55:16,719
Bradford suite

2309
01:55:21,939 --> 01:55:19,190
now this is a room with big high

2310
01:55:24,399 --> 01:55:21,949
ceilings probably 15-foot ceilings big

2311
01:55:26,859 --> 01:55:24,409
four-poster bed like Ebenezer Scrooge

2312
01:55:28,750 --> 01:55:26,869
would sleep in these paintings on the

2313
01:55:30,790 --> 01:55:28,760
wall that have the eyes that almost sort

2314
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:30,800
of follow you as you're walking by I

2315
01:55:35,260 --> 01:55:33,290
mean you couldn't Disney could not have

2316
01:55:39,129 --> 01:55:35,270
created a better set than this right

2317
01:55:40,870 --> 01:55:39,139
right so I was so tired I was so

2318
01:55:42,280 --> 01:55:40,880
exhausted I'd already been up

2319
01:55:44,260 --> 01:55:42,290
practically you know a couple days just

2320
01:55:48,220 --> 01:55:44,270
getting prepared for this trip and it

2321
01:55:49,899 --> 01:55:48,230
was so very tired but I realized this is

2322
01:55:54,640 --> 01:55:49,909
a great opportunity I have this place

2323
01:55:56,890 --> 01:55:54,650
all to myself by myself and so there was

2324
01:55:59,290 --> 01:55:56,900
a local dimer that was open I went there

2325
01:56:01,570 --> 01:55:59,300
I got some food I came back it was about

2326
01:56:03,640 --> 01:56:01,580
10 o'clock at night and I figured well

2327
01:56:05,820 --> 01:56:03,650
here's what I'm gonna do I'm gonna turn

2328
01:56:08,770 --> 01:56:05,830
off every light in this whole place and

2329
01:56:10,859 --> 01:56:08,780
it's a giant place and I'm just gonna

2330
01:56:14,770 --> 01:56:10,869
walk around this whole place in the dark

2331
01:56:16,510 --> 01:56:14,780
with a meter in my video camera see how

2332
01:56:21,250 --> 01:56:16,520
do you do that why do you do that why

2333
01:56:22,810 --> 01:56:21,260
why Joshua why you're alone and you you

2334
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:22,820
when you pull up and you see the

2335
01:56:29,950 --> 01:56:26,000
fountain in the driveway and and it's a

2336
01:56:36,689 --> 01:56:29,960
stormy night and it's raining man what

2337
01:56:39,700 --> 01:56:36,699
do you do oh the video is crazy to watch

2338
01:56:42,430 --> 01:56:39,710
okay continue I mean you've set yourself

2339
01:56:46,750 --> 01:56:42,440
up for something to happen you know this

2340
01:56:51,850 --> 01:56:46,760
right I kind of feel like it's my are

2341
01:56:55,240 --> 01:56:51,860
you there if there's something here and

2342
01:56:58,450 --> 01:56:55,250
so I walked around this whole place yeah

2343
01:56:59,979 --> 01:56:58,460
I'm telling you just that alone most

2344
01:57:05,410 --> 01:56:59,989
people probably could not do that

2345
01:57:07,180 --> 01:57:05,420
honestly but I made it back into my own

2346
01:57:10,930 --> 01:57:07,190
room this is the place where I'm gonna

2347
01:57:13,629 --> 01:57:10,940
be sleeping and all of a sudden my meter

2348
01:57:15,459 --> 01:57:13,639
this is a trifold naturally a meter it

2349
01:57:17,530 --> 01:57:15,469
starts going bonkers and I'm like oh

2350
01:57:19,629 --> 01:57:17,540
maybe it's just a thunderstorm and the

2351
01:57:23,470 --> 01:57:19,639
lightning and all that and then all of a

2352
01:57:25,089 --> 01:57:23,480
sudden I hear boom boom boom like

2353
01:57:27,230 --> 01:57:25,099
somebody's knocked on the door okay

2354
01:57:30,470 --> 01:57:27,240
about jumped out of my skin

2355
01:57:32,150 --> 01:57:30,480
and so I went over and I thought I guess

2356
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:32,160
somebody else's who who could possibly

2357
01:57:37,580 --> 01:57:35,130
be here this late on this stormy night I

2358
01:57:39,260 --> 01:57:37,590
opened my door there's nobody there I

2359
01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:39,270
looked out on the porch there's no other

2360
01:57:43,370 --> 01:57:41,610
car there there's there's mud there's no

2361
01:57:45,170 --> 01:57:43,380
footprints in the mud there's no

2362
01:57:47,540 --> 01:57:45,180
evidence and I said well that was really

2363
01:57:49,970 --> 01:57:47,550
weird I don't know what you know so I

2364
01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:49,980
walked back into the room and I'm

2365
01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:53,130
rolling camera at this point and then I

2366
01:58:00,290 --> 01:57:55,650
hear on the wall boom boom boom

2367
01:58:03,710 --> 01:58:00,300
no and at that point I realized

2368
01:58:06,430 --> 01:58:03,720
something is happening here and I said

2369
01:58:08,800 --> 01:58:06,440
if there is someone in this room with me

2370
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:08,810
will you please do that again

2371
01:58:18,110 --> 01:58:13,770
boom boom boom pow man and then I said

2372
01:58:21,050 --> 01:58:18,120
just to make sure if there is someone in

2373
01:58:25,340 --> 01:58:21,060
this room will you please do that again

2374
01:58:26,990 --> 01:58:25,350
boom boom boom that is when the hair

2375
01:58:29,330 --> 01:58:27,000
stood up on the back of my neck it's

2376
01:58:32,330 --> 01:58:29,340
doing it right now just reliving this

2377
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:32,340
moment and I had the biggest

2378
01:58:38,030 --> 01:58:35,370
fight-or-flight instinct kick in that

2379
01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:38,040
I've ever felt there was a big part of

2380
01:58:41,660 --> 01:58:39,690
me that just wanted to turn around and

2381
01:58:46,040 --> 01:58:41,670
just get out of there at that at that

2382
01:58:48,410 --> 01:58:46,050
moment but I was able to swallow that

2383
01:58:53,750 --> 01:58:48,420
lump in my throat and continue filming

2384
01:58:55,640 --> 01:58:53,760
and then I said okay can you do that

2385
01:58:57,470 --> 01:58:55,650
over here and I think I pointed to a

2386
01:59:00,860 --> 01:58:57,480
table boom boom boom now it's knocking

2387
01:59:07,630 --> 01:59:00,870
on the table at this point Jimmy I have

2388
01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:07,640
no doubt that there is a conscious aware

2389
01:59:15,890 --> 01:59:11,690
interactive spirit that is invisible

2390
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:15,900
that is in this room with me now again

2391
01:59:23,390 --> 01:59:19,610
this is a life altering experience

2392
01:59:24,770 --> 01:59:23,400
because you start to realize not just

2393
01:59:27,770 --> 01:59:24,780
that there is this thing in the room

2394
01:59:31,280 --> 01:59:27,780
with you but that this is even possible

2395
01:59:32,900 --> 01:59:31,290
at all that this can even happen that

2396
01:59:37,250 --> 01:59:32,910
the up that all the stories that you've

2397
01:59:40,310 --> 01:59:37,260
heard your whole life are true at that

2398
01:59:41,060 --> 01:59:40,320
point I began trying to communicate with

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01:59:43,310 --> 01:59:41,070
it and say

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01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:43,320
can you knock once for yes and twice for

2401
01:59:48,589 --> 01:59:46,650
no and it could never do that

2402
01:59:51,830 --> 01:59:48,599
it was always in threes doom doom doom

2403
01:59:53,720 --> 01:59:51,840
and on the video you can hear it more or

2404
01:59:55,310 --> 01:59:53,730
less at certain times if you have

2405
01:59:58,629 --> 01:59:55,320
headphones on obviously it's better

2406
02:00:02,720 --> 01:59:58,639
because it's a lower it's a thud noise

2407
02:00:05,089 --> 02:00:02,730
but I don't know if this is true or not

2408
02:00:08,990 --> 02:00:05,099
but I have always heard this creepy

2409
02:00:12,290 --> 02:00:09,000
little story that ghosts that are evil

2410
02:00:18,770 --> 02:00:12,300
knock in threes because they are trying

2411
02:00:21,770 --> 02:00:18,780
to mock the Holy Trinity make sense make

2412
02:00:24,410 --> 02:00:21,780
sense to me and I know we're coming up

2413
02:00:26,930 --> 02:00:24,420
on a break here yeah we are we got 15

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02:00:30,169 --> 02:00:26,940
seconds when we when we come back from

2415
02:00:34,160 --> 02:00:30,179
the break I will tell you how how my and

2416
02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:34,170
I ended up let's do just that our guest

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02:00:37,700 --> 02:00:34,770
tonight

2418
02:00:41,390 --> 02:00:37,710
Joshua P Warren talking about myrtles

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plantation the video is over at Joshua P

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Warren calm I'll post up the direct link

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02:00:51,740 --> 02:00:47,010
to it during the break stay with us

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02:04:39,860 --> 02:04:37,470
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[Music]

2504
02:04:55,360 --> 02:04:53,660
all right welcome back beta-blocker

2505
02:04:58,390 --> 02:04:55,370
eight night on the show Joshua will be

2506
02:05:01,350 --> 02:04:58,400
warned is here it's all ghosts in the

2507
02:05:05,740 --> 02:05:01,360
paranormal tonight now I just post it up

2508
02:05:09,070 --> 02:05:05,750
the video in Twitter and you can go

2509
02:05:11,740 --> 02:05:09,080
straight to where it's right there

2510
02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:11,750
oh I said it's a law alone at the

2511
02:05:17,140 --> 02:05:13,370
Myrtle's plantation it's actually called

2512
02:05:21,580 --> 02:05:17,150
alone in America's most haunted bedroom

2513
02:05:25,870 --> 02:05:21,590
and the like I said everybody when you

2514
02:05:29,790 --> 02:05:25,880
watch the video it's clear that you're

2515
02:05:33,060 --> 02:05:29,800
pulling up to you are at a haunted

2516
02:05:39,190 --> 02:05:33,070
southern plantation on a dark and stormy

2517
02:05:41,650 --> 02:05:39,200
rainy night you are alone just you know

2518
02:05:44,170 --> 02:05:41,660
it whatever I don't know what you're

2519
02:05:47,260 --> 02:05:44,180
expecting but it's gonna happen Joshua

2520
02:05:51,880 --> 02:05:47,270
on this night for sure well you know

2521
02:05:55,150 --> 02:05:51,890
Jimmy win this consistent communication

2522
02:05:57,760 --> 02:05:55,160
sort of kicked in which win went on for

2523
02:05:59,980 --> 02:05:57,770
hours by the way where I I could say you

2524
02:06:02,470 --> 02:05:59,990
know knock on this wall knock on this

2525
02:06:06,940 --> 02:06:02,480
table knock on this place and this thing

2526
02:06:08,650 --> 02:06:06,950
could do it I felt I mean if you'd asked

2527
02:06:10,210 --> 02:06:08,660
me at that point what are the chances

2528
02:06:12,310 --> 02:06:10,220
that this thing is going to materialize

2529
02:06:15,730 --> 02:06:12,320
and you're gonna see I would have said

2530
02:06:18,640 --> 02:06:15,740
99% I mean I just felt so confident it

2531
02:06:22,210 --> 02:06:18,650
was going to materialize but I told you

2532
02:06:27,730 --> 02:06:22,220
how tired I was and so finally I had to

2533
02:06:29,560 --> 02:06:27,740
go to bed and so I laid down in this bit

2534
02:06:32,170 --> 02:06:29,570
and for actually the first thing I did

2535
02:06:34,510 --> 02:06:32,180
is I called my wife Lauren and I could

2536
02:06:36,070 --> 02:06:34,520
barely barely get a cell phone signal

2537
02:06:38,950 --> 02:06:36,080
and it was one of those things where

2538
02:06:40,570 --> 02:06:38,960
we're talking in snippets and and Lauren

2539
02:06:43,690 --> 02:06:40,580
will tell you that she has never heard

2540
02:06:47,140 --> 02:06:43,700
me that scared before and and we've been

2541
02:06:49,930 --> 02:06:47,150
together for 23 years that I was you

2542
02:06:51,760 --> 02:06:49,940
know she could tell like this Joshua was

2543
02:06:53,920 --> 02:06:51,770
really not happy in this situation

2544
02:06:55,840 --> 02:06:53,930
because you know Jimmy it's one thing

2545
02:06:59,290 --> 02:06:55,850
when you're standing there with your

2546
02:07:01,240 --> 02:06:59,300
video camera and your meter but I don't

2547
02:07:02,379 --> 02:07:01,250
want to wake up in the middle of the

2548
02:07:04,870 --> 02:07:02,389
night

2549
02:07:07,089 --> 02:07:04,880
with some apparition standing there next

2550
02:07:10,239 --> 02:07:07,099
to my bed that that's where I draw the

2551
02:07:12,699 --> 02:07:10,249
line because and I'd already gotten my

2552
02:07:14,169 --> 02:07:12,709
plan just like the the woman I was

2553
02:07:16,299 --> 02:07:14,179
telling you about before I thought okay

2554
02:07:19,600 --> 02:07:16,309
if I wake up and this thing is standing

2555
02:07:22,270 --> 02:07:19,610
there next to the bed screw this I'm out

2556
02:07:24,669 --> 02:07:22,280
of here I'm gonna go to my car and I'm

2557
02:07:26,500 --> 02:07:24,679
gonna sleep in my car because you're

2558
02:07:28,540 --> 02:07:26,510
never more vulnerable than you know when

2559
02:07:30,040 --> 02:07:28,550
you're lying there asleep and I do know

2560
02:07:32,969 --> 02:07:30,050
that some of these things will feed off

2561
02:07:35,889 --> 02:07:32,979
of you and I couldn't I couldn't tell

2562
02:07:37,959 --> 02:07:35,899
exactly what I was dealing with here I

2563
02:07:42,040 --> 02:07:37,969
didn't know if it was good or evil or

2564
02:07:44,469 --> 02:07:42,050
whatever but honestly it aside from what

2565
02:07:45,969 --> 02:07:44,479
I told you about the three knots and now

2566
02:07:48,639 --> 02:07:45,979
some people consider that to be a

2567
02:07:50,259 --> 02:07:48,649
mockery of the Holy Trinity III was not

2568
02:07:53,739 --> 02:07:50,269
able to get a clearer communication

2569
02:07:56,319 --> 02:07:53,749
worked out with this thing and so I lay

2570
02:08:00,580 --> 02:07:56,329
down and surprisingly I went to sleep

2571
02:08:03,399 --> 02:08:00,590
pretty quickly and then the last time I

2572
02:08:06,009 --> 02:08:03,409
remember it disturbing me was at 8:30 in

2573
02:08:09,189 --> 02:08:06,019
the morning when it's banging on the

2574
02:08:12,159 --> 02:08:09,199
headboard of the bed right next to my

2575
02:08:15,819 --> 02:08:12,169
ear and Here I am a guy who has devoted

2576
02:08:17,649 --> 02:08:15,829
most of his life to trying to to see

2577
02:08:21,759 --> 02:08:17,659
these things to experience these things

2578
02:08:28,029 --> 02:08:21,769
and for the first time I said please

2579
02:08:34,600 --> 02:08:28,039
stop please don't do this anymore and it

2580
02:08:36,520 --> 02:08:34,610
did and so the next day the the film

2581
02:08:39,069 --> 02:08:36,530
crew arrived for the TV show that we

2582
02:08:41,709 --> 02:08:39,079
were going to shoot and so they got

2583
02:08:52,779 --> 02:08:41,719
there and and then you know I get a

2584
02:08:56,080 --> 02:08:52,789
normal knock on my door and so I told

2585
02:09:00,189 --> 02:08:56,090
everybody all about my experiences and

2586
02:09:02,500 --> 02:09:00,199
so that next night oh I was ready I had

2587
02:09:04,719 --> 02:09:02,510
all my gear set up we had cameras

2588
02:09:07,689 --> 02:09:04,729
everywhere and it was like the most

2589
02:09:08,520 --> 02:09:07,699
peaceful non eventful night you can ever

2590
02:09:12,250 --> 02:09:08,530
imagine

2591
02:09:15,890 --> 02:09:12,260
so that was a little bit unfortunate but

2592
02:09:18,770 --> 02:09:15,900
if you if you combine that

2593
02:09:20,649 --> 02:09:18,780
variance with my other experience okay

2594
02:09:25,340 --> 02:09:20,659
the first time I saw something

2595
02:09:26,870 --> 02:09:25,350
materialized and and touched it and you

2596
02:09:29,209 --> 02:09:26,880
know so I have no doubt that these

2597
02:09:32,450 --> 02:09:29,219
things can become physically interactive

2598
02:09:35,149 --> 02:09:32,460
the second time I didn't see it I didn't

2599
02:09:38,450 --> 02:09:35,159
touch it but it was interacting with me

2600
02:09:40,220 --> 02:09:38,460
what this shows me is that among the the

2601
02:09:42,919 --> 02:09:40,230
spectrum of things we can consider

2602
02:09:45,080 --> 02:09:42,929
ghostly it's all in there the things

2603
02:09:47,660 --> 02:09:45,090
that people tell you about that you know

2604
02:09:49,370 --> 02:09:47,670
they really happen and and there's in

2605
02:09:51,320 --> 02:09:49,380
fact there's a very creepy story that

2606
02:09:53,510 --> 02:09:51,330
you know I would like to share with you

2607
02:09:56,930 --> 02:09:53,520
called the butcher knife and the bathtub

2608
02:09:58,910 --> 02:09:56,940
which expresses another way that ghost

2609
02:10:00,830 --> 02:09:58,920
can try to communicate with you as well

2610
02:10:03,020 --> 02:10:00,840
so we'll get to that in a minute but you

2611
02:10:05,600 --> 02:10:03,030
can see how those two things made a

2612
02:10:09,590 --> 02:10:05,610
profound impact on the guy who's coming

2613
02:10:14,000 --> 02:10:09,600
at this from a skeptical but open point

2614
02:10:15,890 --> 02:10:14,010
of view I okay I've told the story

2615
02:10:16,790 --> 02:10:15,900
before I'm just gonna make it quick

2616
02:10:19,399 --> 02:10:16,800
you're the guest

2617
02:10:21,709 --> 02:10:19,409
but I would certainly like your opinion

2618
02:10:24,020 --> 02:10:21,719
on this the only ghost that I have seen

2619
02:10:25,669 --> 02:10:24,030
and I'm assuming that it was a ghost it

2620
02:10:28,330 --> 02:10:25,679
was about two o'clock in the morning I

2621
02:10:31,729 --> 02:10:28,340
was at a friend's house back house I

2622
02:10:33,950 --> 02:10:31,739
pulled up and we were all meeting after

2623
02:10:36,830 --> 02:10:33,960
the club closed at this house in

2624
02:10:38,149 --> 02:10:36,840
Hollywood when I pull up and I'm sitting

2625
02:10:41,990 --> 02:10:38,159
in my car and I'm waiting for everybody

2626
02:10:45,020 --> 02:10:42,000
and I look over on the front porch

2627
02:10:48,380 --> 02:10:45,030
I see the there's a big picture window

2628
02:10:52,520 --> 02:10:48,390
like maybe six foot by four feet tall

2629
02:10:57,050 --> 02:10:52,530
living room right there and I see the

2630
02:10:59,350 --> 02:10:57,060
the the blinds or curtains or whatever

2631
02:11:03,229 --> 02:10:59,360
it was pulled back and I see this face

2632
02:11:05,510 --> 02:11:03,239
look out at me and I thought oh they're

2633
02:11:07,910 --> 02:11:05,520
already here somebody's already here why

2634
02:11:10,720 --> 02:11:07,920
haven't they they know that I'm sitting

2635
02:11:13,490 --> 02:11:10,730
in the driveway I was a little angry

2636
02:11:14,899 --> 02:11:13,500
why haven't they just you know turn on

2637
02:11:16,610 --> 02:11:14,909
the lights and let me in the house and

2638
02:11:18,380 --> 02:11:16,620
sort of making me sit in the car I get

2639
02:11:19,340 --> 02:11:18,390
out of the car go up knock on the door

2640
02:11:21,080 --> 02:11:19,350
nobody answers

2641
02:11:22,820 --> 02:11:21,090
knock on the door again I'm saying you

2642
02:11:25,160 --> 02:11:22,830
know I know you're in there you know

2643
02:11:28,669 --> 02:11:25,170
come out nobody does I go back to my car

2644
02:11:29,600 --> 02:11:28,679
pretty pretty pissed off at that point

2645
02:11:37,840 --> 02:11:29,610
the

2646
02:11:41,240 --> 02:11:37,850
out she was with a friend and I said hey

2647
02:11:43,220 --> 02:11:41,250
who's in the house I said I think your

2648
02:11:45,950 --> 02:11:43,230
roommates here and she's not letting me

2649
02:11:47,750 --> 02:11:45,960
in and she goes no she's with her

2650
02:11:50,570 --> 02:11:47,760
boyfriend and they're gonna be here in

2651
02:11:53,270 --> 02:11:50,580
about five or ten minutes and now I'm

2652
02:11:55,940 --> 02:11:53,280
freaking out the the girl that lives in

2653
02:11:58,310 --> 02:11:55,950
the house right at the renter and and at

2654
02:12:01,040 --> 02:11:58,320
that point the roommate pulls up with

2655
02:12:04,760 --> 02:12:01,050
her boyfriend his name is Chris he's an

2656
02:12:07,820 --> 02:12:04,770
actor and he walks up and I'm like dude

2657
02:12:10,220 --> 02:12:07,830
there's somebody in the house and so we

2658
02:12:11,750 --> 02:12:10,230
go up we open up the door we go when

2659
02:12:14,150 --> 02:12:11,760
everybody's freaked out

2660
02:12:17,510 --> 02:12:14,160
Joshua we we go through that there's

2661
02:12:20,180 --> 02:12:17,520
we're thinking burglar right something

2662
02:12:24,560 --> 02:12:20,190
else something criminal houses locked up

2663
02:12:26,720 --> 02:12:24,570
there was no back door went through two

2664
02:12:29,450 --> 02:12:26,730
bedroom had nothing nothing's there I

2665
02:12:32,210 --> 02:12:29,460
went back to the window and pulled back

2666
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:32,220
the curtains and looked at my car I just

2667
02:12:37,700 --> 02:12:33,930
wanted to see what how far the curtains

2668
02:12:40,750 --> 02:12:37,710
had to move right for this to happen and

2669
02:12:44,360 --> 02:12:40,760
I just got chills I got chills I

2670
02:12:49,630 --> 02:12:44,370
something was in that window the next

2671
02:12:52,850 --> 02:12:49,640
day it was agen landlord he's there and

2672
02:13:00,110 --> 02:12:52,860
I come back and I'm talking to him the

2673
02:13:02,540 --> 02:13:00,120
front house was unoccupied and I had he

2674
02:13:05,960 --> 02:13:02,550
had said that a year before I think it

2675
02:13:09,110 --> 02:13:05,970
was about a year before that his son had

2676
02:13:13,340 --> 02:13:09,120
committed suicide lit himself on fire in

2677
02:13:16,700 --> 02:13:13,350
the house and I looked through the back

2678
02:13:18,290 --> 02:13:16,710
door and there was a burn spot on the

2679
02:13:20,750 --> 02:13:18,300
floor I don't know if it was the rug or

2680
02:13:23,240 --> 02:13:20,760
wooden floors or whatever I don't really

2681
02:13:25,730 --> 02:13:23,250
remember but I did see that and we all

2682
02:13:28,820 --> 02:13:25,740
freaked out I mean all of us at that

2683
02:13:32,750 --> 02:13:28,830
point now maybe we went from criminal

2684
02:13:36,560 --> 02:13:32,760
activity to was it a ghost that we saw

2685
02:13:38,900 --> 02:13:36,570
the night before and I've gone on record

2686
02:13:42,140 --> 02:13:38,910
many times I never went back I never

2687
02:13:44,660 --> 02:13:42,150
went back I was very uncomfortable

2688
02:13:47,030 --> 02:13:44,670
and that's my only ghost story but it

2689
02:13:49,879 --> 02:13:47,040
was life-changing and and and to this

2690
02:13:56,359 --> 02:13:49,889
day I think about it the face to by the

2691
02:14:01,490 --> 02:13:56,369
way well it was dark but was gray gray

2692
02:14:04,390 --> 02:14:01,500
it was very black and white ish well you

2693
02:14:09,319 --> 02:14:04,400
know what Jimmy that experience

2694
02:14:12,439 --> 02:14:09,329
surprisingly it did that it does connect

2695
02:14:13,939 --> 02:14:12,449
with this little email that I would like

2696
02:14:15,919 --> 02:14:13,949
to share called the butcher knife and

2697
02:14:18,379 --> 02:14:15,929
the bathtub and then we'll tie them

2698
02:14:21,290 --> 02:14:18,389
together you'll see what I mean okay

2699
02:14:25,790 --> 02:14:21,300
and of course tonight I've been talking

2700
02:14:27,560 --> 02:14:25,800
so far about my own experiences but I

2701
02:14:29,209 --> 02:14:27,570
want to share this with you because I

2702
02:14:31,399 --> 02:14:29,219
know that you're looking for some spooky

2703
02:14:34,520 --> 02:14:31,409
stuff and I get tons and tons and tons

2704
02:14:36,350 --> 02:14:34,530
of emails I have for years and I read

2705
02:14:38,390 --> 02:14:36,360
every single email I don't have the time

2706
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:38,400
to respond to every email but I read

2707
02:14:44,209 --> 02:14:42,570
them all and this one was so interesting

2708
02:14:47,270 --> 02:14:44,219
that I decided to publish it in an

2709
02:14:49,189 --> 02:14:47,280
anthology that I put together years ago

2710
02:14:53,540 --> 02:14:49,199
called it was a dark and creepy night

2711
02:14:55,700 --> 02:14:53,550
and so this is fairly short and I smooth

2712
02:14:59,359 --> 02:14:55,710
it up a little bit but this was sent to

2713
02:15:02,180 --> 02:14:59,369
me by a man named Thomas Glen Kelly who

2714
02:15:06,709 --> 02:15:02,190
is a hole seller he was living in

2715
02:15:08,450 --> 02:15:06,719
Minneapolis Minnesota in 1997 and he

2716
02:15:12,350 --> 02:15:08,460
said again I'm just reading this

2717
02:15:15,020 --> 02:15:12,360
verbatim here in 1997 my girlfriend and

2718
02:15:18,859 --> 02:15:15,030
I were renting a huge beautiful old

2719
02:15:20,959 --> 02:15:18,869
duplex in south Minneapolis my

2720
02:15:25,040 --> 02:15:20,969
girlfriend worked the night shift 10

2721
02:15:27,470 --> 02:15:25,050
p.m. to 7 a.m. I would go to bed just

2722
02:15:29,479 --> 02:15:27,480
after she left for work and she would

2723
02:15:33,290 --> 02:15:29,489
wake me in the morning when she returned

2724
02:15:35,839 --> 02:15:33,300
home one morning she woke me up and

2725
02:15:39,350 --> 02:15:35,849
asked me why there was a butcher knife

2726
02:15:42,979 --> 02:15:39,360
in the bathtub I told her I had no idea

2727
02:15:45,530 --> 02:15:42,989
and we laughed it off a few weeks later

2728
02:15:48,979 --> 02:15:45,540
she woke me up and asked why the bone

2729
02:15:51,410 --> 02:15:48,989
cutters were in the bathtub again we

2730
02:15:53,629 --> 02:15:51,420
laughed it off as the kitchen was

2731
02:15:55,459 --> 02:15:53,639
adjacent to the bathroom and the

2732
02:15:58,450 --> 02:15:55,469
butcher-block knife holder was

2733
02:16:01,100 --> 02:15:58,460
the counter just outside the bathroom a

2734
02:16:03,649 --> 02:16:01,110
month or so later a similar thing

2735
02:16:05,839 --> 02:16:03,659
happened my girlfriend asked why the

2736
02:16:07,250 --> 02:16:05,849
bone cutters were in the bathroom sink

2737
02:16:10,100 --> 02:16:07,260
uh-huh

2738
02:16:12,790 --> 02:16:10,110
this odd occurrence continued throughout

2739
02:16:16,250 --> 02:16:12,800
the three years we lived in the duplex a

2740
02:16:18,770 --> 02:16:16,260
total of probably 10 times somehow in

2741
02:16:19,700 --> 02:16:18,780
the night kitchen cutlery ended up in

2742
02:16:22,219 --> 02:16:19,710
the bathtub

2743
02:16:25,160 --> 02:16:22,229
or the bathroom sink and once in the

2744
02:16:28,430 --> 02:16:25,170
toilet toward the end of our time there

2745
02:16:32,269 --> 02:16:28,440
twice the butcher knife was laying at

2746
02:16:34,759 --> 02:16:32,279
the foot of our bed during our last

2747
02:16:38,690 --> 02:16:34,769
weekend in the duplex we threw a party

2748
02:16:40,339 --> 02:16:38,700
and invited the downstairs tenants they

2749
02:16:42,950 --> 02:16:40,349
were a couple who had lived in the

2750
02:16:46,009 --> 02:16:42,960
building for years and during the course

2751
02:16:49,339 --> 02:16:46,019
of conversation and drinks the subject

2752
02:16:53,030 --> 02:16:49,349
of our landlord came up we both went

2753
02:16:56,269 --> 02:16:53,040
white when they informed us that in 1968

2754
02:17:00,500 --> 02:16:56,279
our landlord's mother had committed

2755
02:17:08,089 --> 02:17:00,510
suicide in our unit in the bathtub with

2756
02:17:10,339 --> 02:17:08,099
a butcher knife now no and there's laws

2757
02:17:13,400 --> 02:17:10,349
today there's specific laws today that

2758
02:17:17,780 --> 02:17:13,410
these things need to be revealed but if

2759
02:17:20,440 --> 02:17:17,790
that happened that then that started

2760
02:17:23,229 --> 02:17:20,450
there you wouldn't have that disclosure

2761
02:17:26,150 --> 02:17:23,239
necessarily right and so therefore

2762
02:17:29,059 --> 02:17:26,160
you're stuck for three years with this

2763
02:17:31,429 --> 02:17:29,069
with this paranormal activity with no

2764
02:17:34,549 --> 02:17:31,439
explanation had you been told this

2765
02:17:35,479 --> 02:17:34,559
before you rented the house right it

2766
02:17:39,410 --> 02:17:35,489
would have been a different situation

2767
02:17:43,849 --> 02:17:39,420
and how would you like to be the person

2768
02:17:44,450 --> 02:17:43,859
who is on lockdown in that duplex as we

2769
02:17:46,610 --> 02:17:44,460
speak

2770
02:17:48,889 --> 02:17:46,620
Jimmy right you know people don't think

2771
02:17:51,349 --> 02:17:48,899
about that it's a serious subject though

2772
02:17:53,780 --> 02:17:51,359
I mean there are people who do live in

2773
02:17:56,629 --> 02:17:53,790
homes that are so haunted it terrifies

2774
02:18:00,110 --> 02:17:56,639
them but they don't have the means to

2775
02:18:02,150 --> 02:18:00,120
move and we're gonna have a lot of

2776
02:18:03,740 --> 02:18:02,160
creepy stories I'm sure that come from

2777
02:18:06,889 --> 02:18:03,750
this period of time when people are

2778
02:18:08,459 --> 02:18:06,899
forced to primarily stay on their

2779
02:18:10,169 --> 02:18:08,469
property and in their home

2780
02:18:12,360 --> 02:18:10,179
but of course the common denominator

2781
02:18:17,820 --> 02:18:12,370
between that story and your story is

2782
02:18:22,559 --> 02:18:17,830
suicide and so this of course makes us

2783
02:18:26,519 --> 02:18:22,569
wonder about why it is that often we

2784
02:18:30,030 --> 02:18:26,529
have people who commit suicide sticking

2785
02:18:33,360 --> 02:18:30,040
around because obviously when you've got

2786
02:18:35,490 --> 02:18:33,370
the butcher knife showing up in the in

2787
02:18:37,769 --> 02:18:35,500
various parts of the bathroom there

2788
02:18:40,440 --> 02:18:37,779
that's not like some type of an imprint

2789
02:18:42,839 --> 02:18:40,450
that's replaying identically no it's

2790
02:18:44,429 --> 02:18:42,849
it's different sometimes you know in the

2791
02:18:46,469 --> 02:18:44,439
bathroom sometimes it's at the foot of

2792
02:18:48,360 --> 02:18:46,479
the bed so so it gives you this

2793
02:18:51,059 --> 02:18:48,370
impression that there is some kind of an

2794
02:18:53,759 --> 02:18:51,069
active unrest phul you know restless

2795
02:18:57,959 --> 02:18:53,769
spirit that's still there and in your

2796
02:18:59,669 --> 02:18:57,969
case you know who knows exactly what you

2797
02:19:02,990 --> 02:18:59,679
saw but I get the impression that it was

2798
02:19:07,229 --> 02:19:03,000
an aware spirit that was poking its head

2799
02:19:08,879 --> 02:19:07,239
through the curtain there and so we have

2800
02:19:12,990 --> 02:19:08,889
to ask ourselves if we're going to

2801
02:19:16,139 --> 02:19:13,000
analyze the behavior of spirits why it

2802
02:19:19,849 --> 02:19:16,149
is that we have so many more stories

2803
02:19:24,599 --> 02:19:19,859
about people who committed suicide or

2804
02:19:27,389 --> 02:19:24,609
people who were were murderers or dark

2805
02:19:29,969 --> 02:19:27,399
figures in some way that tend to stick

2806
02:19:36,650 --> 02:19:29,979
around and and here is some food for

2807
02:19:40,830 --> 02:19:36,660
thought it may be that when you die

2808
02:19:42,839 --> 02:19:40,840
whether or not there is some God there

2809
02:19:46,799 --> 02:19:42,849
at the end of the tunnel of life that is

2810
02:19:49,920 --> 02:19:46,809
going to judge you if you believe that

2811
02:19:53,400 --> 02:19:49,930
that is a possibility and you feel

2812
02:19:54,870 --> 02:19:53,410
guilty about what you've done then you

2813
02:20:00,870 --> 02:19:54,880
might take advantage of any opportunity

2814
02:20:02,309 --> 02:20:00,880
you have to delay that interaction so we

2815
02:20:05,340 --> 02:20:02,319
ought we know that we live in a world

2816
02:20:07,410 --> 02:20:05,350
where suicide is its taboo you know in

2817
02:20:09,929 --> 02:20:07,420
their religions that say hey if you

2818
02:20:13,170 --> 02:20:09,939
commit suicide you can't go to heaven I

2819
02:20:15,900 --> 02:20:13,180
mean that's a really powerful damning

2820
02:20:19,960 --> 02:20:15,910
message that people are given in some

2821
02:20:22,269 --> 02:20:19,970
cases and so it could be that

2822
02:20:25,300 --> 02:20:22,279
we end up with so many of these spirits

2823
02:20:29,590 --> 02:20:25,310
because that if you have the option of

2824
02:20:32,019 --> 02:20:29,600
just saying I'm gonna go to through the

2825
02:20:34,540 --> 02:20:32,029
tunnel to the light at the end of the

2826
02:20:36,849 --> 02:20:34,550
tunnel and you know experience my

2827
02:20:39,400 --> 02:20:36,859
transition because I feel like I've done

2828
02:20:41,440 --> 02:20:39,410
a great job and I have nothing to be

2829
02:20:43,000 --> 02:20:41,450
concerned about then

2830
02:20:44,170 --> 02:20:43,010
maybe you're just gonna you know that's

2831
02:20:46,929 --> 02:20:44,180
what you're gonna do you're gonna move

2832
02:20:49,540 --> 02:20:46,939
on to be reborn into the next phase the

2833
02:20:52,570 --> 02:20:49,550
next vibration you've achieved but if

2834
02:20:55,059 --> 02:20:52,580
you look back on what you've done and

2835
02:20:56,740 --> 02:20:55,069
you see the pain that you've caused you

2836
02:21:00,910 --> 02:20:56,750
know even if it's the the anguish of

2837
02:21:03,309 --> 02:21:00,920
loved ones right at your funeral or

2838
02:21:06,760 --> 02:21:03,319
whatever then that might like I say

2839
02:21:08,889 --> 02:21:06,770
inspire you to to sort of stay put where

2840
02:21:11,349 --> 02:21:08,899
you are and that is one possible

2841
02:21:13,870 --> 02:21:11,359
explanation for why we have so many of

2842
02:21:16,590 --> 02:21:13,880
these dreary spirits that stick around

2843
02:21:22,929 --> 02:21:16,600
well and you have there's you know we

2844
02:21:24,750 --> 02:21:22,939
are all aware of for somebody to want to

2845
02:21:29,229 --> 02:21:24,760
commit suicide and take their own life

2846
02:21:33,280 --> 02:21:29,239
they are in an emotional state you know

2847
02:21:36,580 --> 02:21:33,290
that that is sad they are in a very very

2848
02:21:40,000 --> 02:21:36,590
sad the darkest depths of sadness

2849
02:21:43,179 --> 02:21:40,010
because that's why it happens and you

2850
02:21:46,240 --> 02:21:43,189
have that going on at the same time and

2851
02:21:48,309 --> 02:21:46,250
they are probably at a location whether

2852
02:21:51,370 --> 02:21:48,319
it's in their home a certain room in the

2853
02:21:54,969 --> 02:21:51,380
home or outside at a certain place that

2854
02:21:58,150 --> 02:21:54,979
they went to where they were emotionally

2855
02:22:03,849 --> 02:21:58,160
connected and all of that has to

2856
02:22:06,940 --> 02:22:03,859
manifest into activity later on because

2857
02:22:08,979 --> 02:22:06,950
of the energies that that are at that

2858
02:22:13,360 --> 02:22:08,989
moment it just makes a lot of sense to

2859
02:22:16,870 --> 02:22:13,370
me well also we know that if we just

2860
02:22:20,800 --> 02:22:16,880
accept what we're told by the physicist

2861
02:22:23,889 --> 02:22:20,810
the space-time is is a flexible thing

2862
02:22:27,210 --> 02:22:23,899
and it's it's relative and so what I

2863
02:22:33,370 --> 02:22:30,639
we have for example in the creepy Vegas

2864
02:22:35,860 --> 02:22:33,380
ghosts and UFOs show a clip that was

2865
02:22:38,349 --> 02:22:35,870
captured by Patrick Burke who's a friend

2866
02:22:40,300 --> 02:22:38,359
of mine who does investigations in the

2867
02:22:40,660 --> 02:22:40,310
vicinity around Washington DC and why

2868
02:22:44,649 --> 02:22:40,670
not

2869
02:22:48,309 --> 02:22:44,659
and he captured what appears to be the

2870
02:22:53,139 --> 02:22:48,319
imprint of a soldier at Gettysburg that

2871
02:22:56,559 --> 02:22:53,149
is lifting its leg to go over a short

2872
02:22:59,769 --> 02:22:56,569
wall that was there during the Battle of

2873
02:23:01,479 --> 02:22:59,779
Gettysburg but is no longer or was no

2874
02:23:03,880 --> 02:23:01,489
longer there when he captured his

2875
02:23:07,510 --> 02:23:03,890
footage and that's why we believe this

2876
02:23:09,700 --> 02:23:07,520
is an imprint because that it's the

2877
02:23:12,130 --> 02:23:09,710
figure is interacting with the

2878
02:23:13,809 --> 02:23:12,140
environment as it was during the battle

2879
02:23:18,040 --> 02:23:13,819
and not as it is today

2880
02:23:20,769 --> 02:23:18,050
but my point being it could be that

2881
02:23:24,399 --> 02:23:20,779
regardless of that particular one being

2882
02:23:26,320 --> 02:23:24,409
an imprint there may be spirits out

2883
02:23:28,660 --> 02:23:26,330
there entities as we call them which

2884
02:23:30,370 --> 02:23:28,670
means you know an imprint is redundant

2885
02:23:31,540 --> 02:23:30,380
and it's predictable and it does the

2886
02:23:33,550 --> 02:23:31,550
same thing over and over like a

2887
02:23:35,620 --> 02:23:33,560
recording an entity is what I

2888
02:23:38,410 --> 02:23:35,630
experienced at myrtles plantation that

2889
02:23:41,620 --> 02:23:38,420
is interactive it's aware it's

2890
02:23:46,210 --> 02:23:41,630
unpredictable it may be that there are

2891
02:23:51,219 --> 02:23:46,220
entities out there that especially maybe

2892
02:23:53,320 --> 02:23:51,229
died in the the chaos of war and it's

2893
02:23:55,899 --> 02:23:53,330
hard for us to even imagine what it was

2894
02:23:58,389 --> 02:23:55,909
like on a battlefield during the

2895
02:24:00,189 --> 02:23:58,399
American Civil War when you you're you

2896
02:24:01,780 --> 02:24:00,199
can't hear anything I mean the first

2897
02:24:04,599 --> 02:24:01,790
thing that happens is your eardrums are

2898
02:24:06,309 --> 02:24:04,609
shot by all the cannon blasts you can't

2899
02:24:07,960 --> 02:24:06,319
really see anything because there's

2900
02:24:10,260 --> 02:24:07,970
smoke all over the place

2901
02:24:13,420 --> 02:24:10,270
right it's hard to tell friend from foe

2902
02:24:16,510 --> 02:24:13,430
you're already in a state of you know a

2903
02:24:19,899 --> 02:24:16,520
complete confusion and then if you die

2904
02:24:22,710 --> 02:24:19,909
in the middle of that it may be that you

2905
02:24:27,670 --> 02:24:22,720
don't even realize that you're dead and

2906
02:24:31,559 --> 02:24:27,680
it could be that because space time is a

2907
02:24:35,070 --> 02:24:31,569
relative thing that this five minutes

2908
02:24:38,979 --> 02:24:35,080
that this individual is experiencing

2909
02:24:39,950 --> 02:24:38,989
might be a hundred and fifty years might

2910
02:24:43,160 --> 02:24:39,960
be 200

2911
02:24:46,040 --> 02:24:43,170
years and so sometimes you might say

2912
02:24:48,650 --> 02:24:46,050
well why is it that we have a ghost

2913
02:24:50,330 --> 02:24:48,660
that's sticking around for hundreds of

2914
02:24:52,400 --> 02:24:50,340
years why doesn't it make a decision and

2915
02:24:55,240 --> 02:24:52,410
do something else well that's because

2916
02:24:58,700 --> 02:24:55,250
you're judging time by your own

2917
02:25:00,469 --> 02:24:58,710
perspective and so it could be that in

2918
02:25:03,469 --> 02:25:00,479
many of these cases we're looking at

2919
02:25:06,050 --> 02:25:03,479
entities that are there going through a

2920
02:25:08,060 --> 02:25:06,060
short period of time which to us is a

2921
02:25:12,469 --> 02:25:08,070
long period of time because all these

2922
02:25:16,540 --> 02:25:12,479
things depend on your point of view why

2923
02:25:19,430 --> 02:25:16,550
why don't we a lot of civil war

2924
02:25:24,280 --> 02:25:19,440
apparitions out there for sure and and

2925
02:25:30,160 --> 02:25:24,290
medieval modern so why oh why not

2926
02:25:32,960 --> 02:25:30,170
cro-magnon right why don't we see ghosts

2927
02:25:37,280 --> 02:25:32,970
that are two hundred thousand years old

2928
02:25:39,410 --> 02:25:37,290
or do we I have some pictures on my

2929
02:25:43,250 --> 02:25:39,420
website of what may very well be

2930
02:25:44,960 --> 02:25:43,260
dinosaur ghosts and if you go back to

2931
02:25:46,730 --> 02:25:44,970
that section we've been talking about if

2932
02:25:48,530 --> 02:25:46,740
you go to the gallery of the strange and

2933
02:25:50,719 --> 02:25:48,540
you click on world's wildest ghost

2934
02:25:53,510 --> 02:25:50,729
photos you will see at least two

2935
02:25:55,910 --> 02:25:53,520
photographs on there of what may be

2936
02:25:59,630 --> 02:25:55,920
dinosaur ghosts and this comes from

2937
02:26:01,400 --> 02:25:59,640
South Carolina years ago I investigated

2938
02:26:05,540 --> 02:26:01,410
a property down there owned by a woman

2939
02:26:06,800 --> 02:26:05,550
named Lynch a comb and she was reporting

2940
02:26:09,290 --> 02:26:06,810
seeing these things that look like

2941
02:26:13,969 --> 02:26:09,300
pretty much dragons or pterodactyls

2942
02:26:16,010 --> 02:26:13,979
flying around her property and sure

2943
02:26:18,560 --> 02:26:16,020
enough it turns out when you go back and

2944
02:26:20,270 --> 02:26:18,570
you talk to paleontologists there is

2945
02:26:23,840 --> 02:26:20,280
evidence that those kinds of creatures

2946
02:26:25,969 --> 02:26:23,850
once lived in that area and so it may be

2947
02:26:28,360 --> 02:26:25,979
that sometimes when people are

2948
02:26:30,969 --> 02:26:28,370
describing what we would call a cryptid

2949
02:26:34,160 --> 02:26:30,979
which is an animal that may or may not

2950
02:26:36,469 --> 02:26:34,170
exist right that they are actually

2951
02:26:38,900 --> 02:26:36,479
talking about the apparition

2952
02:26:42,230 --> 02:26:38,910
you know seeing the apparition of a

2953
02:26:45,500 --> 02:26:42,240
creature that is now extinct as far as

2954
02:26:47,960 --> 02:26:45,510
cro-magnon goes you know I think we

2955
02:26:49,340 --> 02:26:47,970
probably see ghosts a lot more often

2956
02:26:52,520 --> 02:26:49,350
than we realize

2957
02:26:53,780 --> 02:26:52,530
because it's easy for us to tell that

2958
02:26:55,970 --> 02:26:53,790
something is a ghost

2959
02:26:59,960 --> 02:26:55,980
that seems to be all translucent and

2960
02:27:02,900 --> 02:26:59,970
glowy but in many cases ghosts do not

2961
02:27:06,680 --> 02:27:02,910
appear that way they look just as solid

2962
02:27:09,050 --> 02:27:06,690
and corporeal as you and I do sometimes

2963
02:27:12,261 --> 02:27:09,060
you might not know a person as a ghost

2964
02:27:15,290 --> 02:27:12,271
except for that person's dress being

2965
02:27:17,060 --> 02:27:15,300
very out of place and out of style I

2966
02:27:19,400 --> 02:27:17,070
know I've talked to a number of people

2967
02:27:23,090 --> 02:27:19,410
who have moved into old houses and when

2968
02:27:25,580 --> 02:27:23,100
they see a ghost they they would not

2969
02:27:29,990 --> 02:27:25,590
know it's a ghost if it weren't for the

2970
02:27:33,110 --> 02:27:30,000
fact that the floor of the house is more

2971
02:27:36,080 --> 02:27:33,120
or less at the knees of the ghost and

2972
02:27:38,780 --> 02:27:36,090
what you find is that over time that

2973
02:27:43,310 --> 02:27:38,790
floor level has been changed it's been

2974
02:27:47,180 --> 02:27:43,320
raised and so sometimes they look just

2975
02:27:48,710 --> 02:27:47,190
as solid as we do but you if it weren't

2976
02:27:50,690 --> 02:27:48,720
for how they're interacting with the

2977
02:27:52,520 --> 02:27:50,700
environment you'd never know I mean how

2978
02:27:54,020 --> 02:27:52,530
would you know when you see a cat

2979
02:27:55,700 --> 02:27:54,030
running down the side of the road that

2980
02:27:59,000 --> 02:27:55,710
disappears in the bushes how do you know

2981
02:28:02,210 --> 02:27:59,010
if that's a ghost cat or a normal cat

2982
02:28:04,490 --> 02:28:02,220
you know yeah so we may see ghosts all

2983
02:28:08,090 --> 02:28:04,500
the time and just assume they're not

2984
02:28:10,670 --> 02:28:08,100
ghosts because probably most ghosts do

2985
02:28:12,830 --> 02:28:10,680
not look like they're portrayed in

2986
02:28:15,140 --> 02:28:12,840
Hollywood they because you know in

2987
02:28:17,780 --> 02:28:15,150
Hollywood you have to portray them that

2988
02:28:21,261 --> 02:28:17,790
way so that everybody knows what you're

2989
02:28:23,960 --> 02:28:21,271
talking about but in real life most of

2990
02:28:26,030 --> 02:28:23,970
them probably you you'd walk right by a

2991
02:28:28,220 --> 02:28:26,040
ghost and never know it's a ghost let's

2992
02:28:31,340 --> 02:28:28,230
take a break right here Joshua let's go

2993
02:28:35,030 --> 02:28:31,350
into overtime and when we come back I

2994
02:28:39,950 --> 02:28:35,040
want to I want to talk about your hell

2995
02:28:43,190 --> 02:28:39,960
huh Hell hell hound hellhound encounter

2996
02:28:45,890 --> 02:28:43,200
I'm watching the reaction from everybody

2997
02:28:48,680 --> 02:28:45,900
here on Twitter tonight and everybody's

2998
02:28:50,450 --> 02:28:48,690
really enjoying this and most are saying

2999
02:28:51,950 --> 02:28:50,460
that they are gonna sleep with the

3000
02:28:53,810 --> 02:28:51,960
lights on as you should

3001
02:28:55,880 --> 02:28:53,820
this is fade to black our guest tonight

3002
02:28:59,261 --> 02:28:55,890
Joshua will be warned when we come back

3003
02:29:01,780 --> 02:28:59,271
Joshua's hellhound encounter

3004
02:29:02,880 --> 02:29:01,790
day with this short break we'll be right

3005
02:29:26,390 --> 02:29:02,890
back

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02:29:29,070 --> 02:29:26,400
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3076
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welcome back pay the black cover girl

3077
02:33:07,161 --> 02:33:05,820
should be Church I guess tonight Joshua

3078
02:33:10,120 --> 02:33:07,171
will be warned heading into some

3079
02:33:17,290 --> 02:33:13,960
I so needed this show tonight I so

3080
02:33:19,210 --> 02:33:17,300
needed this thank you so much Josh you

3081
02:33:21,280 --> 02:33:19,220
owe for the disconnect or the connect

3082
02:33:24,969 --> 02:33:21,290
however you want to look at it what a

3083
02:33:29,740 --> 02:33:24,979
great conversation and the hellhound

3084
02:33:31,590 --> 02:33:29,750
story now when we I think all of us I

3085
02:33:34,420 --> 02:33:31,600
want your definition of hellhound

3086
02:33:37,690 --> 02:33:34,430
because you can go all the way back to

3087
02:33:41,020 --> 02:33:37,700
like the old blues singers and and you

3088
02:33:43,090 --> 02:33:41,030
know hellhound on my trail and the the

3089
02:33:45,520 --> 02:33:43,100
stories going back with folklore about

3090
02:33:49,050 --> 02:33:45,530
it then we have like the skinwalker

3091
02:33:52,240 --> 02:33:49,060
ranch hellhound in these red eyed

3092
02:33:54,910 --> 02:33:52,250
legless things bounding through the

3093
02:33:57,820 --> 02:33:54,920
night these apparitions what's your

3094
02:34:00,700 --> 02:33:57,830
definition of hellhound I wrote a book

3095
02:34:01,690 --> 02:34:00,710
called pet ghosts animal encounters from

3096
02:34:04,630 --> 02:34:01,700
beyond the grave

3097
02:34:05,950 --> 02:34:04,640
and the name is a bit misleading the

3098
02:34:08,500 --> 02:34:05,960
publishers thought it would sell better

3099
02:34:10,780 --> 02:34:08,510
if it was called pet ghost but it goes

3100
02:34:13,750 --> 02:34:10,790
beyond just dogs and cats I talked about

3101
02:34:15,760 --> 02:34:13,760
all forms of non-human apparitions

3102
02:34:19,389 --> 02:34:15,770
including insects and dinosaurs and

3103
02:34:23,830 --> 02:34:19,399
cryptids and all that stuff and I coined

3104
02:34:26,170 --> 02:34:23,840
this term phantom moles and because

3105
02:34:28,600 --> 02:34:26,180
there was no catch-all term that would

3106
02:34:31,090 --> 02:34:28,610
allow me to sort of easily discuss this

3107
02:34:34,660 --> 02:34:31,100
broad subject and basically you know a

3108
02:34:38,850 --> 02:34:34,670
phantom mole is an apparition that has

3109
02:34:45,250 --> 02:34:38,860
animal-like qualities and so a hellhound

3110
02:34:49,929 --> 02:34:45,260
would be a a phantom mole with doglike

3111
02:34:54,429 --> 02:34:49,939
qualities that usually appears in some

3112
02:34:59,639 --> 02:34:54,439
ominous fashion but obviously transcends

3113
02:35:06,250 --> 02:34:59,649
the norms of a biological average dog

3114
02:35:08,980 --> 02:35:06,260
right gotcha I have a hellhound his name

3115
02:35:11,639 --> 02:35:08,990
is Teddy he's a Portuguese water poodle

3116
02:35:14,679 --> 02:35:11,649
oh I'm so sorry

3117
02:35:18,100 --> 02:35:14,689
he'll take you out man all seven pounds

3118
02:35:20,679 --> 02:35:18,110
of them but okay what what happened what

3119
02:35:23,069 --> 02:35:20,689
was your hellhound encounter so there's

3120
02:35:25,050 --> 02:35:23,079
a kicker to this story

3121
02:35:26,399 --> 02:35:25,060
but let me start and this is not

3122
02:35:28,529 --> 02:35:26,409
something I've talked about a lot

3123
02:35:31,800 --> 02:35:28,539
because it's just so weird that it's one

3124
02:35:35,760 --> 02:35:31,810
of those things that it just doesn't

3125
02:35:38,250 --> 02:35:35,770
come up a lot but so for oh I don't know

3126
02:35:41,069 --> 02:35:38,260
15 years or whatever I hosted this radio

3127
02:35:44,639 --> 02:35:41,079
program that I created called speaking

3128
02:35:48,960 --> 02:35:44,649
of strange for Clear Channel / I heart

3129
02:35:50,790 --> 02:35:48,970
and it aired on Newsradio 570 w w NC in

3130
02:35:53,670 --> 02:35:50,800
Asheville North Carolina was the

3131
02:35:55,439 --> 02:35:53,680
number-one show in its market for a long

3132
02:35:57,719 --> 02:35:55,449
time and frankly I could still be

3133
02:36:01,830 --> 02:35:57,729
hosting it to this day if I wanted to

3134
02:36:03,960 --> 02:36:01,840
but you know among all people or of all

3135
02:36:06,989 --> 02:36:03,970
people Jimmy that you know doing a

3136
02:36:09,300 --> 02:36:06,999
regular radio program on a on a schedule

3137
02:36:11,099 --> 02:36:09,310
on me like that's that rules your life I

3138
02:36:13,290 --> 02:36:11,109
mean that's a commitment that you have

3139
02:36:16,260 --> 02:36:13,300
to make and I just didn't have enough

3140
02:36:19,409 --> 02:36:16,270
time to continue doing that so I now do

3141
02:36:21,779 --> 02:36:19,419
a podcast called Joshua P Warren daily

3142
02:36:23,849 --> 02:36:21,789
it's you never know exactly when it's

3143
02:36:26,939 --> 02:36:23,859
gonna air but it's short and it's free

3144
02:36:29,159 --> 02:36:26,949
and I hope any of your listeners to go

3145
02:36:31,380 --> 02:36:29,169
to Joshua P Warren comm will listen to

3146
02:36:33,479 --> 02:36:31,390
the podcast and am I the one I just

3147
02:36:37,080 --> 02:36:33,489
recorded yesterday I even give out a

3148
02:36:40,050 --> 02:36:37,090
magical phrase that is supposed to

3149
02:36:42,000 --> 02:36:40,060
create physical vitality and protection

3150
02:36:45,599 --> 02:36:42,010
so you never know what I'm gonna get

3151
02:36:48,809 --> 02:36:45,609
into well I was hosting speaking of

3152
02:36:51,569 --> 02:36:48,819
strange one night and the show would end

3153
02:36:54,569 --> 02:36:51,579
at midnight on Saturdays we'd started

3154
02:36:59,639 --> 02:36:54,579
about I guess nine o'clock three hours

3155
02:37:02,790 --> 02:36:59,649
show and so the bars in Asheville didn't

3156
02:37:06,239 --> 02:37:02,800
close until 2:00 a.m. so it was common

3157
02:37:08,670 --> 02:37:06,249
for the producer and maybe some of the

3158
02:37:10,349 --> 02:37:08,680
guests or whatever to go out with me

3159
02:37:14,489 --> 02:37:10,359
after the show ended and we'd have a

3160
02:37:17,399 --> 02:37:14,499
nightcap at a bar or whatever so one

3161
02:37:22,649 --> 02:37:17,409
night I finished up a show this was you

3162
02:37:26,849 --> 02:37:22,659
know live radio and after that my

3163
02:37:29,460 --> 02:37:26,859
producer was not able to come out but

3164
02:37:32,219 --> 02:37:29,470
there is a lady named Shelly Wright who

3165
02:37:34,979 --> 02:37:32,229
is a graduate of my course I have a

3166
02:37:36,099 --> 02:37:34,989
paranormal investigation course you can

3167
02:37:38,710 --> 02:37:36,109
even take it online

3168
02:37:41,019 --> 02:37:38,720
matter of fact and and so investigator

3169
02:37:43,300 --> 02:37:41,029
Shelly right she was a sponsor of the

3170
02:37:45,909 --> 02:37:43,310
show and her she was often there in the

3171
02:37:47,619 --> 02:37:45,919
studio as a personality and so she said

3172
02:37:51,399 --> 02:37:47,629
yeah I'll go out and we'll have a drink

3173
02:37:56,559 --> 02:37:51,409
so we finna we wrapped up at midnight

3174
02:37:59,710 --> 02:37:56,569
and she was following me as I was

3175
02:38:03,849 --> 02:37:59,720
driving some back roads to get this

3176
02:38:06,250 --> 02:38:03,859
little off-the-wall bar and I don't

3177
02:38:11,380 --> 02:38:06,260
remember passing another car that night

3178
02:38:17,380 --> 02:38:11,390
and so at one point I was just about to

3179
02:38:19,840 --> 02:38:17,390
pull up to a stoplight at a bridge over

3180
02:38:24,519 --> 02:38:19,850
the French Broad River and as I'm

3181
02:38:27,550 --> 02:38:24,529
approaching this stoplight there in the

3182
02:38:30,429 --> 02:38:27,560
middle of the road in front of me is a

3183
02:38:33,580 --> 02:38:30,439
creature that I have never seen before

3184
02:38:35,769 --> 02:38:33,590
and again I'm a guy who wrote a book

3185
02:38:39,069 --> 02:38:35,779
about weird creatures and I've never

3186
02:38:44,500 --> 02:38:39,079
seen this one before the best way I can

3187
02:38:49,869 --> 02:38:44,510
describe this to you is it looked like a

3188
02:38:55,929 --> 02:38:49,879
cross between a very large black dog and

3189
02:38:57,580 --> 02:38:55,939
a black bear it had enormous bulk and I

3190
02:38:59,199 --> 02:38:57,590
have you know growing up in the

3191
02:39:01,179 --> 02:38:59,209
mountains of Western North Carolina on

3192
02:39:04,149 --> 02:39:01,189
more than one occasion I have walked up

3193
02:39:06,340 --> 02:39:04,159
on black bears in the wild and that's a

3194
02:39:07,989 --> 02:39:06,350
scary thing and fortunately every time

3195
02:39:10,359 --> 02:39:07,999
the black bears have turned and run away

3196
02:39:12,460 --> 02:39:10,369
but I know what a black bear is up close

3197
02:39:16,000 --> 02:39:12,470
and personal in the wild this is not a

3198
02:39:21,460 --> 02:39:16,010
black bear this is not a dog big hulking

3199
02:39:25,899 --> 02:39:21,470
black muscular thing on four legs there

3200
02:39:30,550 --> 02:39:25,909
in the road it had a huge head and its

3201
02:39:32,439 --> 02:39:30,560
head looked like a bat so exactly what

3202
02:39:34,840 --> 02:39:32,449
you envision when you think of the bat

3203
02:39:40,210 --> 02:39:34,850
with you know the ears and the the pig

3204
02:39:42,010 --> 02:39:40,220
nose and all that so immediately I know

3205
02:39:43,149 --> 02:39:42,020
this is not something that I've ever

3206
02:39:45,729 --> 02:39:43,159
seen before

3207
02:39:48,240 --> 02:39:45,739
so I slam on the brakes it looks at me

3208
02:39:52,019 --> 02:39:48,250
and it has those just

3209
02:39:54,750 --> 02:39:52,029
shining bright crimson red eyes that you

3210
02:40:00,330 --> 02:39:54,760
always hear about and I get the chill

3211
02:40:03,870 --> 02:40:00,340
that goes down my spine and I jumped out

3212
02:40:05,729 --> 02:40:03,880
of my car which is weird because I guess

3213
02:40:07,170 --> 02:40:05,739
I felt like if I was in danger

3214
02:40:08,940 --> 02:40:07,180
which I very well could have been at

3215
02:40:11,429 --> 02:40:08,950
least I can just jump back in the car

3216
02:40:13,080 --> 02:40:11,439
but I jumped out of the car and I always

3217
02:40:15,450 --> 02:40:13,090
had a flashlight I kept there with me

3218
02:40:18,750 --> 02:40:15,460
and of course Shelly is right behind me

3219
02:40:20,190 --> 02:40:18,760
so she has stopped and she's leaning out

3220
02:40:21,870 --> 02:40:20,200
her window saying what are you doing

3221
02:40:23,429 --> 02:40:21,880
what's going on and I said Shelly get

3222
02:40:26,639 --> 02:40:23,439
out of the car because I want her to see

3223
02:40:31,290 --> 02:40:26,649
this as soon as I shine the flashlight

3224
02:40:34,200 --> 02:40:31,300
on this thing it races off into the

3225
02:40:36,179 --> 02:40:34,210
bushes and by the time she gets out of

3226
02:40:38,340 --> 02:40:36,189
her car she can hear it crashing through

3227
02:40:42,000 --> 02:40:38,350
the bushes and stuff as it goes down

3228
02:40:43,979 --> 02:40:42,010
toward the water so I'm telling her

3229
02:40:46,290 --> 02:40:43,989
there was some kind of creature here

3230
02:40:48,150 --> 02:40:46,300
that I can only call a hellhound and so

3231
02:40:50,130 --> 02:40:48,160
I'm just we're shining the flashlights

3232
02:40:52,889 --> 02:40:50,140
we're waiting to see if we catch another

3233
02:40:54,179 --> 02:40:52,899
glimpse of it we probably waited there

3234
02:40:55,679 --> 02:40:54,189
for two or three minutes you know and

3235
02:41:00,090 --> 02:40:55,689
again there were no other cars around

3236
02:41:04,139 --> 02:41:00,100
and it did not really I can't believe it

3237
02:41:06,410 --> 02:41:04,149
so anyway we crossed the bridge we go to

3238
02:41:10,260 --> 02:41:06,420
this little bar when we get inside I

3239
02:41:13,380 --> 02:41:10,270
start telling her about what I had seen

3240
02:41:16,710 --> 02:41:13,390
and that's when the light bulb goes off

3241
02:41:20,490 --> 02:41:16,720
and I'm like I can't believe this that

3242
02:41:24,870 --> 02:41:20,500
night you know who my guest was on my

3243
02:41:26,719 --> 02:41:24,880
show it was Nick Redfern and we had been

3244
02:41:29,160 --> 02:41:26,729
talking about

3245
02:41:33,269 --> 02:41:29,170
hellhounds and how that they often

3246
02:41:35,190 --> 02:41:33,279
appear around bridges and that they they

3247
02:41:38,729 --> 02:41:35,200
are there's this some kind of thing

3248
02:41:41,610 --> 02:41:38,739
about water and bridges and hellhounds

3249
02:41:44,010 --> 02:41:41,620
and sometimes when you see them it's

3250
02:41:46,019 --> 02:41:44,020
good luck and sometimes it's bad luck

3251
02:41:49,620 --> 02:41:46,029
you kind of have to just interpret it

3252
02:41:51,210 --> 02:41:49,630
but I was like oh my god I just spent

3253
02:41:53,729 --> 02:41:51,220
like two hours talking to Nick Redfern

3254
02:41:56,370 --> 02:41:53,739
about this stuff and now one appears to

3255
02:41:58,210 --> 02:41:56,380
me in front of this bridge that I'm

3256
02:42:00,519 --> 02:41:58,220
about to cross

3257
02:42:02,950 --> 02:42:00,529
and so I what I can tell you is that

3258
02:42:05,590 --> 02:42:02,960
fortunately nothing bad happened to me

3259
02:42:07,179 --> 02:42:05,600
after that as a matter of fact I would

3260
02:42:10,240 --> 02:42:07,189
say a lot of good things happened to me

3261
02:42:13,660 --> 02:42:10,250
but that was the one time when I saw

3262
02:42:15,309 --> 02:42:13,670
something that may not fit 100% into the

3263
02:42:17,500 --> 02:42:15,319
hell hell mold because this looked like

3264
02:42:19,150 --> 02:42:17,510
something a little different you know

3265
02:42:21,670 --> 02:42:19,160
hellhounds day don't usually have a bat

3266
02:42:23,679 --> 02:42:21,680
face on them yeah I wanted to I wanted

3267
02:42:29,139 --> 02:42:23,689
to go back to that for a second when you

3268
02:42:32,110 --> 02:42:29,149
shine to your flashlights I did it it's

3269
02:42:35,080 --> 02:42:32,120
one thing to see the the bat head and

3270
02:42:37,660 --> 02:42:35,090
the bad face in the shadows but once it

3271
02:42:42,280 --> 02:42:37,670
was illuminated it did it have a bat

3272
02:42:45,340 --> 02:42:42,290
face yes absolutely it absolutely I mean

3273
02:42:47,679 --> 02:42:45,350
like you know I when I got home I made a

3274
02:42:50,490 --> 02:42:47,689
little sketch of it because you know my

3275
02:42:52,599 --> 02:42:50,500
wife Lauren she knows way more about

3276
02:42:54,330 --> 02:42:52,609
animal species than I do

3277
02:42:56,860 --> 02:42:54,340
I mean she's practically a professional

3278
02:42:58,510 --> 02:42:56,870
zoologist I mean you can you can show

3279
02:42:59,019 --> 02:42:58,520
her an animal and she just knows all

3280
02:43:02,380 --> 02:42:59,029
about it

3281
02:43:05,710 --> 02:43:02,390
and she'd never seen anything like this

3282
02:43:08,590 --> 02:43:05,720
and so I have the misfortune of being

3283
02:43:12,820 --> 02:43:08,600
the only witness I wish that at least

3284
02:43:15,760 --> 02:43:12,830
Shelley had seen it as well but there

3285
02:43:16,900 --> 02:43:15,770
was something about that moment that I

3286
02:43:21,099 --> 02:43:16,910
don't know it just seemed like it was

3287
02:43:23,110 --> 02:43:21,109
meant for me to see that thing and it's

3288
02:43:25,410 --> 02:43:23,120
possible that if I look back in

3289
02:43:27,880 --> 02:43:25,420
retrospect and really sort of like

3290
02:43:29,650 --> 02:43:27,890
checked the boxes of things that have

3291
02:43:31,630 --> 02:43:29,660
happened in my life maybe I would figure

3292
02:43:36,400 --> 02:43:31,640
out that was some kind of a trigger

3293
02:43:38,650 --> 02:43:36,410
moment but that is the weirdest creature

3294
02:43:40,960 --> 02:43:38,660
that I've ever seen and I'm telling you

3295
02:43:45,040 --> 02:43:40,970
it was in my headlights it was in my

3296
02:43:46,690 --> 02:43:45,050
flashlight beam and it was it was

3297
02:43:49,120 --> 02:43:46,700
something that is not supposed to exist

3298
02:43:51,940 --> 02:43:49,130
and yet it did and it was right there

3299
02:43:57,179 --> 02:43:51,950
like they say next to a bridge now could

3300
02:44:00,900 --> 02:43:57,189
it have just been a giant Boston Terrier

3301
02:44:02,189 --> 02:44:00,910
it'd be the biggest one I've ever seen

3302
02:44:05,130 --> 02:44:02,199
those

3303
02:44:08,969 --> 02:44:05,140
guys have bad faces they got that years

3304
02:44:11,999 --> 02:44:08,979
they got the Battier's I know right and

3305
02:44:14,939 --> 02:44:12,009
this is this is something that when we

3306
02:44:17,909 --> 02:44:14,949
look at mythology and we look at

3307
02:44:21,300 --> 02:44:17,919
folklore just about every cultures got

3308
02:44:25,760 --> 02:44:21,310
this this you know this story you know

3309
02:44:28,859 --> 02:44:25,770
this is part of their their heritage

3310
02:44:31,979 --> 02:44:28,869
yeah well you know that's the thing we

3311
02:44:34,619 --> 02:44:31,989
have to also ask ourselves though when

3312
02:44:37,199 --> 02:44:34,629
you see something like that is it

3313
02:44:38,939 --> 02:44:37,209
physical just because it looks like it's

3314
02:44:41,699 --> 02:44:38,949
physical or if it is physical

3315
02:44:43,559 --> 02:44:41,709
is it only temporarily physical so you

3316
02:44:46,380 --> 02:44:43,569
know I get to our arguments with a lot

3317
02:44:48,869 --> 02:44:46,390
of these Bigfoot guys who are they are

3318
02:44:51,389 --> 02:44:48,879
so determined that if they get out there

3319
02:44:53,369 --> 02:44:51,399
on the right day at the right time and

3320
02:44:57,829 --> 02:44:53,379
they've they've got a cage or whatever

3321
02:45:00,479 --> 02:44:57,839
they can get Bigfoot in that cage and I

3322
02:45:03,359 --> 02:45:00,489
am of the opinion that that cannot be

3323
02:45:07,769 --> 02:45:03,369
done because I don't think that Bigfoot

3324
02:45:12,209 --> 02:45:07,779
is a normal biological organism I think

3325
02:45:14,249 --> 02:45:12,219
that when it is here it is like that yes

3326
02:45:15,329 --> 02:45:14,259
when it's here it is just as physical

3327
02:45:16,739 --> 02:45:15,339
like you would look at that thing and

3328
02:45:19,139 --> 02:45:16,749
you would say that looks like you know

3329
02:45:22,499 --> 02:45:19,149
gorillas I can capture it I can

3330
02:45:24,749 --> 02:45:22,509
tranquilize it but then it just

3331
02:45:27,630 --> 02:45:24,759
disappears and gorillas don't just

3332
02:45:31,139 --> 02:45:27,640
disappear and so I believe that that

3333
02:45:33,389 --> 02:45:31,149
really confuses people because they see

3334
02:45:36,420 --> 02:45:33,399
something that looks so physical they

3335
02:45:39,300 --> 02:45:36,430
think it's it's always going to be in

3336
02:45:41,130 --> 02:45:39,310
this state and it blows their minds to

3337
02:45:43,760 --> 02:45:41,140
consider that maybe it can be that

3338
02:45:46,920 --> 02:45:43,770
physical but then turn around and become

3339
02:45:49,469 --> 02:45:46,930
non-physical and the only way that I can

3340
02:45:52,199 --> 02:45:49,479
reconcile the stories from all these

3341
02:45:55,920 --> 02:45:52,209
Bigfoot witnesses you know these stories

3342
02:45:59,999 --> 02:45:55,930
being true with the lack of physical

3343
02:46:02,399 --> 02:46:00,009
evidence is by saying look guys yes

3344
02:46:05,550 --> 02:46:02,409
Bigfoot when you see this thing it's

3345
02:46:08,279 --> 02:46:05,560
real it's 100% physical it's 100% real

3346
02:46:10,499 --> 02:46:08,289
it will leave footprints it will do but

3347
02:46:13,559 --> 02:46:10,509
then it can turn around and disappear

3348
02:46:14,821 --> 02:46:13,569
and that is why you're not going to ever

3349
02:46:19,171 --> 02:46:14,831
get one in a cage

3350
02:46:22,861 --> 02:46:19,181
well and what's the most before we wrap

3351
02:46:26,011 --> 02:46:22,871
up tonight I think about Creature

3352
02:46:27,691 --> 02:46:26,021
Features which was on Friday nights in

3353
02:46:29,970 --> 02:46:27,701
Chicago when I was growing up I think

3354
02:46:32,731 --> 02:46:29,980
every city had its own version of

3355
02:46:35,791 --> 02:46:32,741
Creature Features but and and going back

3356
02:46:38,581 --> 02:46:35,801
to the old you know Dracula movies and I

3357
02:46:45,771 --> 02:46:38,591
think about all the way through to today

3358
02:46:49,021 --> 02:46:45,781
about Romania and the the the hostile

3359
02:46:53,341 --> 02:46:49,031
movie series which was you know all

3360
02:46:57,961 --> 02:46:53,351
based there just a crazy area of the

3361
02:47:01,081 --> 02:46:57,971
world that's based on truth Dracula Vlad

3362
02:47:06,541 --> 02:47:01,091
the Impaler was real that guy drank

3363
02:47:09,631 --> 02:47:06,551
blood he impaled people and their had

3364
02:47:12,571 --> 02:47:09,641
there's that haunted history is there a

3365
02:47:18,930 --> 02:47:12,581
more haunted area on the planet than say

3366
02:47:22,081 --> 02:47:18,940
like Romania well you know I am one of

3367
02:47:24,511 --> 02:47:22,091
the the people who has had the the honor

3368
02:47:26,821 --> 02:47:24,521
of going and spending a lot of time

3369
02:47:29,911 --> 02:47:26,831
investigating haunted castles in

3370
02:47:33,211 --> 02:47:29,921
Transylvania in Romania I have had a lot

3371
02:47:34,680 --> 02:47:33,221
of weird stuff happened there I'll never

3372
02:47:37,861 --> 02:47:34,690
forget one night I was in one of the

3373
02:47:40,611 --> 02:47:37,871
castles that Vlad was imprisoned in and

3374
02:47:47,551 --> 02:47:40,621
they had a little chapel there waianae

3375
02:47:51,810 --> 02:47:47,561
yeah okay I wasn't expecting to go here

3376
02:47:54,501 --> 02:47:51,820
but okay alright yeah yeah we we

3377
02:47:57,060 --> 02:47:54,511
actually personally sold off the door

3378
02:47:59,180 --> 02:47:57,070
because I kept hearing a bunch of

3379
02:48:02,640 --> 02:47:59,190
commotion and there was a sarcophagus

3380
02:48:04,140 --> 02:48:02,650
down below this balcony that I was

3381
02:48:06,180 --> 02:48:04,150
standing on with Lauren and a couple

3382
02:48:09,031 --> 02:48:06,190
other people and something in that

3383
02:48:10,021 --> 02:48:09,041
sealed off room kept throwing rocks at

3384
02:48:12,091 --> 02:48:10,031
us

3385
02:48:14,310 --> 02:48:12,101
we even had video footage of this rocks

3386
02:48:17,031 --> 02:48:14,320
and pebbles and just wanted us out of

3387
02:48:19,591 --> 02:48:17,041
there and there was a time when I was in

3388
02:48:23,341 --> 02:48:19,601
one of the castles that he controlled

3389
02:48:26,881 --> 02:48:23,351
and I had a Laser grid firing up there

3390
02:48:28,410 --> 02:48:26,891
and you could actually see the form of

3391
02:48:31,650 --> 02:48:28,420
what looked like a human

3392
02:48:35,400 --> 02:48:31,660
through the room and break up the Laser

3393
02:48:36,990 --> 02:48:35,410
grid Romania is is certainly a very

3394
02:48:38,070 --> 02:48:37,000
haunted place and it's kind of like a

3395
02:48:44,070 --> 02:48:38,080
time capsule

3396
02:48:48,110 --> 02:48:44,080
but Romania is mainly haunted you have

3397
02:48:52,740 --> 02:48:48,120
other places like the Bermuda Triangle

3398
02:48:55,070 --> 02:48:52,750
like the brown mountain area like some

3399
02:48:58,590 --> 02:48:55,080
of the spots here around Las Vegas that

3400
02:49:00,660 --> 02:48:58,600
are what I call warps and what that

3401
02:49:05,219 --> 02:49:00,670
means is that the laws of physics in

3402
02:49:07,679 --> 02:49:05,229
general do not always behave like they

3403
02:49:11,040 --> 02:49:07,689
are supposed to so in other words you

3404
02:49:16,170 --> 02:49:11,050
don't just have ghosts but you also have

3405
02:49:18,660 --> 02:49:16,180
UFOs cryptids psychic phenomena more

3406
02:49:20,550 --> 02:49:18,670
reports of angels and demons and

3407
02:49:23,850 --> 02:49:20,560
interdimensional things these are like

3408
02:49:27,179 --> 02:49:23,860
giant portals right right and so I think

3409
02:49:30,200 --> 02:49:27,189
that those portal locations are the ones

3410
02:49:33,330 --> 02:49:30,210
that give us the most information about

3411
02:49:36,000 --> 02:49:33,340
paranormal phenomena because whether we

3412
02:49:38,700 --> 02:49:36,010
classify this as being one of those

3413
02:49:41,730 --> 02:49:38,710
categories or another what we're really

3414
02:49:44,280 --> 02:49:41,740
talking about is the idea that we can

3415
02:49:47,490 --> 02:49:44,290
interact with things that are sometimes

3416
02:49:50,700 --> 02:49:47,500
only here for a limited period of time

3417
02:49:53,250 --> 02:49:50,710
and that's why all this stuff is still a

3418
02:49:55,350 --> 02:49:53,260
mystery to us because it's easy for us

3419
02:49:57,480 --> 02:49:55,360
to put something in a jar and say look

3420
02:49:58,950 --> 02:49:57,490
it's in the jar it's sealed it's gonna

3421
02:50:00,810 --> 02:49:58,960
be there tomorrow and the next day or

3422
02:50:02,700 --> 02:50:00,820
the next day we have a real problem

3423
02:50:04,950 --> 02:50:02,710
understanding what happens when you put

3424
02:50:07,440 --> 02:50:04,960
it in the jar and it disappears yeah and

3425
02:50:09,630 --> 02:50:07,450
there isn't a castle in Romania maybe

3426
02:50:12,330 --> 02:50:09,640
not even in the world you know think

3427
02:50:15,780 --> 02:50:12,340
about Edinburgh but there isn't a castle

3428
02:50:20,070 --> 02:50:15,790
in Romania that hasn't been the subject

3429
02:50:22,170 --> 02:50:20,080
of death and carnage and torture all

3430
02:50:25,050 --> 02:50:22,180
over that's why they are built they're

3431
02:50:27,929 --> 02:50:25,060
built for battle and and those battles

3432
02:50:31,110 --> 02:50:27,939
were horrific and the things that went

3433
02:50:33,570 --> 02:50:31,120
on in the cellars there they all had

3434
02:50:37,920 --> 02:50:33,580
jails like the one you were in Vlad the

3435
02:50:40,830 --> 02:50:37,930
Impaler in a prison cell in the basement

3436
02:50:42,180 --> 02:50:40,840
of a castle that place is haunted

3437
02:50:44,461 --> 02:50:42,190
that place has got

3438
02:50:48,180 --> 02:50:44,471
residual garbage all over it doesn't it

3439
02:50:51,541 --> 02:50:48,190
oh of course and you know we hiked up

3440
02:50:54,480 --> 02:50:51,551
1500 steps to the ruins of Poenari which

3441
02:50:58,530 --> 02:50:54,490
was his main castle and that there it's

3442
02:51:00,360 --> 02:50:58,540
right next to just a sheer cliff yeah on

3443
02:51:03,001 --> 02:51:00,370
a sweeping Canyon and that's where his

3444
02:51:07,100 --> 02:51:03,011
wife jumped to her death rather than

3445
02:51:09,631 --> 02:51:07,110
being taken a prisoner and but you know

3446
02:51:12,541 --> 02:51:09,641
you when you see Vlad the Impaler

3447
02:51:14,940 --> 02:51:12,551
there's this famous wood carving love of

3448
02:51:19,650 --> 02:51:14,950
him sitting there in front of the forest

3449
02:51:22,381 --> 02:51:19,660
of the impaled we went to the spot where

3450
02:51:24,600 --> 02:51:22,391
that wood carving was we know that that

3451
02:51:28,831 --> 02:51:24,610
depicts that wood carving with everybody

3452
02:51:29,700 --> 02:51:28,841
out front impaled on stakes yeah we went

3453
02:51:31,530 --> 02:51:29,710
through the place

3454
02:51:35,041 --> 02:51:31,540
depicted in that wood carving it's a

3455
02:51:36,690 --> 02:51:35,051
hill and if you and I climbed up this

3456
02:51:38,070 --> 02:51:36,700
filth and let me tell you you get it you

3457
02:51:40,320 --> 02:51:38,080
want a little workout you climb up to

3458
02:51:43,411 --> 02:51:40,330
the top of this hill now you know if you

3459
02:51:45,270 --> 02:51:43,421
were Vlad the Impaler you and if you

3460
02:51:47,730 --> 02:51:45,280
were going to make a statement by

3461
02:51:50,610 --> 02:51:47,740
impaling people you would take the

3462
02:51:52,831 --> 02:51:50,620
number-one dude you don't like and put

3463
02:51:56,310 --> 02:51:52,841
him at the very peak of that hill

3464
02:51:59,430 --> 02:51:56,320
right and so I climbed up to the top of

3465
02:52:01,261 --> 02:51:59,440
this hill with all this equipment and I

3466
02:52:09,440 --> 02:52:01,271
put it all down there and everything

3467
02:52:13,011 --> 02:52:09,450
just maxed out so yeah so that you know

3468
02:52:16,350 --> 02:52:13,021
if you have an imagination and you can

3469
02:52:20,001 --> 02:52:16,360
use that to time-travel and envision

3470
02:52:24,600 --> 02:52:20,011
what that looks like during his period

3471
02:52:27,751 --> 02:52:24,610
to be at the epicenter of you know the

3472
02:52:30,841 --> 02:52:27,761
the hill of the impaled where he was

3473
02:52:35,581 --> 02:52:30,851
supposedly sitting down there and dining

3474
02:52:41,190 --> 02:52:35,591
on rare meat no no no no no no couldn't

3475
02:52:43,411 --> 02:52:41,200
do it let's go back so what I mentioned

3476
02:52:45,511 --> 02:52:43,421
the pebbles but what was it like staying

3477
02:52:49,081 --> 02:52:45,521
in that castle overnight it just must

3478
02:52:51,030 --> 02:52:49,091
just things going on well I didn't sleep

3479
02:52:53,791 --> 02:52:51,040
there you know we just stayed there and

3480
02:52:55,920 --> 02:52:53,801
investigated all night and you know the

3481
02:52:59,580 --> 02:52:55,930
the pebble thing was actually

3482
02:53:01,290 --> 02:52:59,590
quite pronounced because I mean they

3483
02:53:02,490 --> 02:53:01,300
would sting when they would hit you and

3484
02:53:05,370 --> 02:53:02,500
they would just come out of the darkness

3485
02:53:10,769 --> 02:53:05,380
and yeah you know I have nightmares

3486
02:53:13,950 --> 02:53:10,779
about that I had them for years years

3487
02:53:16,650 --> 02:53:13,960
years and years and years this repeating

3488
02:53:21,630 --> 02:53:16,660
dream of me and friends trying to get up

3489
02:53:24,389 --> 02:53:21,640
this darkened a concrete stairway in a

3490
02:53:27,360 --> 02:53:24,399
concrete tunnel that part is real that

3491
02:53:29,130 --> 02:53:27,370
that stairway existed but these pebbles

3492
02:53:31,500 --> 02:53:29,140
would be thrown from the top of the

3493
02:53:33,559 --> 02:53:31,510
stairs to keep us from going up and they

3494
02:53:35,849 --> 02:53:33,569
would whiz by the time they got to us

3495
02:53:38,550 --> 02:53:35,859
you know they were like bullets and

3496
02:53:40,950 --> 02:53:38,560
they'd hit us and sting us I had that

3497
02:53:43,139 --> 02:53:40,960
dream repeatedly I had think of us I

3498
02:53:46,429 --> 02:53:43,149
don't have it anymore but this happened

3499
02:53:49,530 --> 02:53:46,439
to you in real life Wow yeah

3500
02:53:52,500 --> 02:53:49,540
yeah it happened and again you know we

3501
02:53:54,599 --> 02:53:52,510
even got it on video and you can hear

3502
02:53:57,360 --> 02:53:54,609
these pebbles bouncing off of everything

3503
02:53:58,019 --> 02:53:57,370
and you know something just didn't want

3504
02:54:01,500 --> 02:53:58,029
us there

3505
02:54:04,969 --> 02:54:01,510
mm-hmm and that's one thing that you

3506
02:54:08,790 --> 02:54:04,979
find often when you go to haunted places

3507
02:54:12,059 --> 02:54:08,800
sometimes you find that whatever spirits

3508
02:54:14,610 --> 02:54:12,069
are there they they want to try to

3509
02:54:17,519 --> 02:54:14,620
communicate with you you almost feel

3510
02:54:18,870 --> 02:54:17,529
like that your presence is you know even

3511
02:54:20,939 --> 02:54:18,880
though it's an awkward situation your

3512
02:54:24,179 --> 02:54:20,949
presence is perhaps welcomed in some way

3513
02:54:26,250 --> 02:54:24,189
then you have this opposite situation

3514
02:54:29,040 --> 02:54:26,260
where that they don't want you to be

3515
02:54:31,380 --> 02:54:29,050
there and so when we think tonight

3516
02:54:33,570 --> 02:54:31,390
about the people all over the world who

3517
02:54:37,530 --> 02:54:33,580
are listening to this program who are

3518
02:54:40,110 --> 02:54:37,540
locked inside their homes I think I

3519
02:54:42,809 --> 02:54:40,120
would say if you feel like that this

3520
02:54:46,080 --> 02:54:42,819
thing is trying to get you out and

3521
02:54:49,229 --> 02:54:46,090
doesn't want you to be there I hope that

3522
02:54:51,179 --> 02:54:49,239
they will email you or me you know I can

3523
02:54:53,550 --> 02:54:51,189
be emailed through my website Joshua

3524
02:54:57,080 --> 02:54:53,560
Pete wearing calm let us know about that

3525
02:55:00,269 --> 02:54:57,090
but if you have the impression that

3526
02:55:02,189 --> 02:55:00,279
whatever is in your home wants to

3527
02:55:04,979 --> 02:55:02,199
communicate with you but you've just

3528
02:55:09,570 --> 02:55:04,989
been resisting it this is a great time

3529
02:55:11,880 --> 02:55:09,580
for you to sit down and try to make that

3530
02:55:15,540 --> 02:55:11,890
Tech and something very simple that you

3531
02:55:18,240 --> 02:55:15,550
can do is just take a candle and put

3532
02:55:20,761 --> 02:55:18,250
that candle on a table and turn out all

3533
02:55:23,160 --> 02:55:20,771
the lights and make sure that you have

3534
02:55:26,100 --> 02:55:23,170
closed off as many of the air currents

3535
02:55:27,900 --> 02:55:26,110
as possible and then you just speak out

3536
02:55:32,250 --> 02:55:27,910
loud like you're talking to The

3537
02:55:34,820 --> 02:55:32,260
Invisible Man and you say if you would

3538
02:55:38,761 --> 02:55:34,830
like to communicate with me please

3539
02:55:40,680 --> 02:55:38,771
change that flame mm-hmm and watch the

3540
02:55:42,780 --> 02:55:40,690
flame if the flame flickers or does

3541
02:55:44,970 --> 02:55:42,790
something weird that is a very easy

3542
02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:44,980
thing for a ghost or a spirit to

3543
02:55:50,940 --> 02:55:48,010
manipulate and start with that and try

3544
02:55:53,190 --> 02:55:50,950
to communicate hit it once for yes hit

3545
02:55:55,170 --> 02:55:53,200
it twice for No see if you can

3546
02:55:58,710 --> 02:55:55,180
communicate with what's in your home and

3547
02:56:01,250 --> 02:55:58,720
tell me and Jimmy what happens I would

3548
02:56:03,210 --> 02:56:01,260
love and I would love to hear from

3549
02:56:06,630 --> 02:56:03,220
anybody that would like to is there

3550
02:56:08,880 --> 02:56:06,640
anything to worry about are you inviting

3551
02:56:09,960 --> 02:56:08,890
anything in that you may you know that

3552
02:56:13,051 --> 02:56:09,970
you can't control

3553
02:56:15,710 --> 02:56:13,061
no you're not inviting it if it's there

3554
02:56:19,680 --> 02:56:15,720
it's there what you're doing is possibly

3555
02:56:21,810 --> 02:56:19,690
helping to resolve the situation right

3556
02:56:23,790 --> 02:56:21,820
there may be something you can do that

3557
02:56:25,500 --> 02:56:23,800
sometimes and I could go into a lot of

3558
02:56:28,710 --> 02:56:25,510
details but you know no we're out of

3559
02:56:31,310 --> 02:56:28,720
time but basically there are things the

3560
02:56:34,051 --> 02:56:31,320
spirits would like to to achieve

3561
02:56:36,750 --> 02:56:34,061
sometimes they want an object to be

3562
02:56:39,720 --> 02:56:36,760
given to a certain person sometimes they

3563
02:56:45,330 --> 02:56:39,730
want something to be or to not be on

3564
02:56:48,060 --> 02:56:45,340
their grave sometimes they want to shed

3565
02:56:51,930 --> 02:56:48,070
light or truth on something that is

3566
02:56:54,060 --> 02:56:51,940
being said about them that is untrue I

3567
02:56:57,000 --> 02:56:54,070
mean again that we we can do a whole

3568
02:56:59,880 --> 02:56:57,010
separate show on this topic but there

3569
02:57:02,040 --> 02:56:59,890
are spirits out there that I believe are

3570
02:57:05,280 --> 02:57:02,050
an unrest and they're sticking around

3571
02:57:08,100 --> 02:57:05,290
here because they're trying to resolve a

3572
02:57:10,470 --> 02:57:08,110
situation and sometimes all you have to

3573
02:57:13,140 --> 02:57:10,480
do is say okay what are you trying to

3574
02:57:15,540 --> 02:57:13,150
tell me and you get that out in the open

3575
02:57:17,160 --> 02:57:15,550
you you have the communication like I

3576
02:57:19,830 --> 02:57:17,170
say you're not conjuring up something

3577
02:57:21,780 --> 02:57:19,840
it's there already you're getting the

3578
02:57:22,770 --> 02:57:21,790
conversation out there and they might be

3579
02:57:24,961 --> 02:57:22,780
able to tell you

3580
02:57:27,360 --> 02:57:24,971
how to do something that will allow them

3581
02:57:30,600 --> 02:57:27,370
to finally say okay my work here is done

3582
02:57:34,261 --> 02:57:30,610
this has been clarified now I'm ready to

3583
02:57:39,480 --> 02:57:34,271
move on is there and we are out of time

3584
02:57:40,381 --> 02:57:39,490
but really quick is there a way to with

3585
02:57:43,530 --> 02:57:40,391
the candle

3586
02:57:46,290 --> 02:57:43,540
I mean maybe have a clear box around it

3587
02:57:49,200 --> 02:57:46,300
not know it has to have oxygen nothing

3588
02:57:52,470 --> 02:57:49,210
on the top but to block any wind to have

3589
02:57:55,711 --> 02:57:52,480
it perfectly still and then capture that

3590
02:57:59,751 --> 02:57:55,721
on video is it okay with the spirits if

3591
02:58:02,580 --> 02:57:59,761
we are videotaping this this session

3592
02:58:05,580 --> 02:58:02,590
yeah it doesn't matter how yeah I think

3593
02:58:07,350 --> 02:58:05,590
that it's good to record it and but you

3594
02:58:10,560 --> 02:58:07,360
know the thing is you you want to use

3595
02:58:11,970 --> 02:58:10,570
some common sense so I mean if you sit

3596
02:58:14,520 --> 02:58:11,980
there and you watch the candle and you

3597
02:58:16,591 --> 02:58:14,530
can breathe and see what it looks like

3598
02:58:18,930 --> 02:58:16,601
you can see what currents you have

3599
02:58:21,030 --> 02:58:18,940
coming in your house right right right

3600
02:58:21,990 --> 02:58:21,040
you know rule all that stuff out use

3601
02:58:25,230 --> 02:58:22,000
common sense

3602
02:58:28,200 --> 02:58:25,240
it's fine to videotape it but you should

3603
02:58:31,020 --> 02:58:28,210
be able to detect the difference but

3604
02:58:33,330 --> 02:58:31,030
don't make it hard for them you know the

3605
02:58:35,881 --> 02:58:33,340
idea is that a candle flame is a plasma

3606
02:58:38,070 --> 02:58:35,891
and we know that plasmas are very very

3607
02:58:40,470 --> 02:58:38,080
receptive to spiritual energies it's an

3608
02:58:42,690 --> 02:58:40,480
easy thing for them to move and it's

3609
02:58:45,211 --> 02:58:42,700
something that everybody has on hand so

3610
02:58:47,070 --> 02:58:45,221
that's what you need to do you'll you'll

3611
02:58:48,870 --> 02:58:47,080
figure out really quickly if this is

3612
02:58:51,060 --> 02:58:48,880
something normal or if this is something

3613
02:58:52,830 --> 02:58:51,070
paranormal happening I want to thank you

3614
02:58:53,610 --> 02:58:52,840
for sharing that with this I want to try

3615
02:58:56,790 --> 02:58:53,620
it myself

3616
02:58:59,730 --> 02:58:56,800
very very Joshua what a great show

3617
02:59:02,220 --> 02:58:59,740
tonight thank you so much well you know

3618
02:59:04,770 --> 02:59:02,230
thank you Jimmy and I'm glad that we are

3619
02:59:07,711 --> 02:59:04,780
we're moving forward and we're taking

3620
02:59:09,660 --> 02:59:07,721
people's minds into a new paradigm

3621
02:59:11,820 --> 02:59:09,670
because that's what is important for us

3622
02:59:14,100 --> 02:59:11,830
all to do so thank you again for having

3623
02:59:17,730 --> 02:59:14,110
me on your show yeah thank you and again

3624
02:59:19,410 --> 02:59:17,740
Joshua P Warren dot-com is the website

3625
02:59:22,080 --> 02:59:19,420
the links are over at Jimmy Church radio

3626
02:59:24,900 --> 02:59:22,090
com all of Joshua's information and

3627
02:59:27,480 --> 02:59:24,910
including the haunted Las Vegas show and

3628
02:59:29,551 --> 02:59:27,490
when it will fire up again is over on

3629
02:59:32,881 --> 02:59:29,561
his website thank you so much Joshua

3630
02:59:35,011 --> 02:59:32,891
give our best to Lauren it's great to to

3631
02:59:36,030 --> 02:59:35,021
sit down and have a scary conversation

3632
02:59:39,330 --> 02:59:36,040
with you I really

3633
02:59:42,600 --> 02:59:39,340
enjoyed it it's always fun Jimmy we go

3634
02:59:45,410 --> 02:59:42,610
in all directions Josh he will be warned

3635
02:59:47,550 --> 02:59:45,420
Thank You Joshua have a great night okay

3636
02:59:49,620 --> 02:59:47,560
you too Jimmy Thanks

3637
02:59:53,520 --> 02:59:49,630
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3638
02:59:55,560 --> 02:59:53,530
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3639
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3640
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3641
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3642
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3652
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3657
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3658
03:00:46,889 --> 03:00:43,000
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3659
03:00:59,350 --> 03:00:46,899
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